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Monday, May 27, 2013

BrahMos-1 ASCM Being Fired From INS Tarkash On May 22; Indian Navy And NDMA To Receive 12 ShinMaywa Industries-Built SS-3 Amphibians; HSL To Build Four Mini-Submarines For MARCOS; BEML-TATRA To Resume Deliveries Of T815 Heavy-Duty Trucks

The other good news is that the BEML-TATRA issue is at last close to being resolved now (i.e. the OEM’s blacklisting is no longer an option), since a new sales-and-marketing agreement and a brand-new licenced-production programme is now in the final stages of negotiations between BEML and UK-based TATRA SIPOX. Under the latter, firstly the quantum of indigenisation will be significantly increased, and secondly, BEML will establish two regional service centres within India for catering to the depot-level MRO requirements of the 9,000-odd members of the TATRA-T815 family of heavy-duty vehicles that are presently serving with the three amred services of India. This in turn will allow the three armed services to continue using the BEML-TATRA family of heavy-duty vehicles, and will also result in the long overdue orders being placed for new-build vehicles that are required as transporter-erector-launchers (TEL) for the BrahMos-1 Block-3 LACMs as well as for the 29 BEL-built Swathi weapon locating radars, which were ready for service-induction since early this year, but could not be delivered since the TEL issue had not been resolved at that time.
 
It may be recalled that BEML, through a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the Ravinder Rishi-owned UK-based company, TATRA SIPOX UK, had reportedly surrendered the licenced-manufacturing rights of these all-terrain trucks in 2003. Based on its 1986 and 1997 industrial partnership agreements with the OEMs, BEML had gained exclusive rights to manufacture the trucks in India. However, through an MoU with TATRA SIPOX UK in February 2003, it is alleged that the manufacturing rights were partially surrendered by excluding the truck’s axle. BEML had in 1986 inked a sole-source contract with TATRA AS of the erstwhile Czechoslovakia for the supply of Tatra T815 family of trucks. Simultaneously, under the contract, documents on technological know-how for licence-producing the trucks with progressive indigenous content were also bought for Rs30 million. It was agreed then that BEML would progressively indigenise the trucks and the desired target was fixed at 85% indigenisation by 1991. However, when Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993, TATRA AS also split into two. While the one manufacturing 70% of the product was renamed as TATRA AS, the other was called VAB SIPOX. The latter was, subsequently, gradually privatised and 80% of the company was taken over by Josef Majsky, who allegedly had prior business links with Ravinder Rishi. During the turbulent phase in the early 1990s, the supply of trucks directly from Slovakia and the Czech Republic was hit, and subsequently Ravinder Rishi’s Venus Projects PLC bagged one order of 100 trucks from BEML. Venus was awarded the contract despite the fact that it was neither an OEM nor its subsidiary, but just a marketing company. In 1994, Venus Projects PLC and TATRA SIPOX allegedly came together to set up TATRA SIPOX UK through a 50-50 partnership. Later, the company was allegedly taken over by Rishi. The Slovak-based company, which had earlier manufactured the truck axle and backbone-tube parts, allegedly started claiming that BEML was incapable of licence-manufacturing the axle as it was a patented product and thus had to be wholly imported off-the-shelf. Consequently, the agreement for the supply of truck components that was renewed in 1997 reinforced the exclusive licenced-assembly rights of BEML in India. Also, it allegedly mentioned that certain technology-transfer documents had been supplied to BEML. However, soon after V R S Natarajan took over as BEML’s CMD, BEML in 2003 entered inked an MoU with TATRA SIPOX UK allegedly excluding the rights to manufacture the truck’s axle, thus partially surrendering the manufacturing rights. BEML had by then had also indigenously developed a prototype of the truck’s axle, but it was not allowed to further develop it and was allegedly forced to import the axle, causing huge losses to the public exchequer. Interestingly, the then Secretary Defence Production had then raised objections asking cancellation of the 2003 MoU. However, the objections were ignored by the MoD.
In another noteworthy development, Vizag-based Hindustan Shipyards Ltd has bagged the contract for building four 500-tonne mini-submarines, which were designed back in the previous decade by Larsen & Toubro. The mini-submarines, to be delivered in the latter half of this decade, will be used exclusively by the Indian Navy’s MARCOS. The combat management systems have been designed and built by TATA Power SED, while Riva Calzoni will be supplying the periscopes and other masts that will host a SATCOM communications systems and LPI navigation radar. The sonar suite is likely to be supplied by ATLAS Elektronik.
 
Finally, graphic evidence has emerged once again (the previous one was three years ago during the premature commissioning of the IAF’s Phalodi AFS) on how the MoD and the IAF HQ have been adopting an utterly callous attitude when it comes to flight safety. The PIB-released photo yesterday (http://pib.nic.in/photo/2013/May/l2013052747449.jpg) and uploaded below, showing a Su-30MKI taking off from the just-commissioned Thanjavuram AFS, clearly shows the shocking and incomplete state of landscaping of the tarmac areas, which in turn gives rise to the high number of FOD-related incidents recorded thus far for the IAF’s inventory of Su-30Ks and Su-30MKis since the late 1990s. It goes without saying that given the IAF’s penchant for resorting to curved takeoff and landing patterns with its Su-30MKIs, the practice of prematurely commissioning of air bases with incomplete earthworks, landscaping and other infrastructure-related construction activities needs to be put an end to with immediate effect. For if not, then the MRO-related expenditures incurred for the IAF’s existing and project combat aircraft fleets can only be expected to register steep increases in future.

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abs said...

@Prasunda
1)Would the deployment of such EW systems encounter any limitations due to the prevailing geographical conditions along the LAC?
2)What are the advantages of Prithvi-3 over Prahaar? 600km ranged missiles would better serve the IAF, I believe as the IA still do not possess ISTAR assets looking so deep inside enemy territory. While Prahaar is excellent anti mechanised/armoured weapon apart from the other usual NLOS-BSMs capabilities that it possess.

Defense and Aerospace said...

Hi Prasun ,

Will the Krivak IV frigates that India will purchase from Russia come equipped with the ship based missile defence system Poliment-Redut ?

And if NOT will the Indian Navy equip them with the Barak 2 ?

Thanks,

Anand said...

Hi Prasun,

You have frequently mentioned about Prithvi -3 in your recent posts.Has this missile been test fired yet or is it still undergoing development?

regards,

Anand

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To LITTLEMASTER: At least 80 test-flights will be reqd. No, for any such upgrades will only come up during the 1st mid-life upgrade, just as I had explained above. Any decent AESA-MMR can produce such high-resolution SAR imagery. NCTR capabilities are closely-guarded secrets. There are no links for such pix. I took photos of all Rafale scale-models displayed there in various weapons configurations. Rafale carries 10 AAMs with single drop-tank, or 7 Taurus KEPD-350s & 4 AAMs. Uprated M88s will come during the 1st mid-life upgrade. Supercruise only at max altitude is possible & that too without drop-tanks, but no one in their right mind will use the Rafale in this manner, least of all the IAF. IAF has always been interest in active towed-decoys. EF-2000’s unrefuelled combat radius isn’t greater than that of the Rafale. Derby with a booster configuration has a range greater than 20km, while the Vityaz as of now has only 18km-range. The IRIS-SL with active terminal seeker from to me is the best option as it is vertically-launched & can also be mounted on any India-manufactured truck from either TATA or Ashok Leyland.

To SUBIR: 1) Dead wrong, since you haven’t yet seen the Prithvi-3’s poster shown at Aero India 2013 & therefore you’re wrongly claiming that Prithvi-3 is a two-stage missile. 2) Wrong again. 4) Wrong again. Dhanush was designed for IN, not Prithvi-3. 5) GLONASS doesn’t offer Py-precision codes. IRNSS will. 6) Fairly soon. 7) NLOS-BSMs, not just the Prahaar. Prithvi-3 has greater warhead mass & is therefore superior to Prahaar. 9 & 10) Not DARE, but by the Ukrainian company & the poster clearly shows this. It is a Ukrainian company poster & not DARE’s. The IAF has not opted for this configuration. That’s why I always say that first see, then observe, then analyse & only then absorb & digest the data. 11) No. 12) Pray for the best & brace for the worst. 13) Data Patterns is developing the SAR seeker for future versions of BrahMos-1. RLG-INS coupled with IRNSS-specific GPS receiver is a highly accurate navigation package for both NLOS-BSMs & cruise missiles & offer 3-metre CEPs. 14) No such kits are being acquired. 16) ADE is already developing such PGMs. 17) Things will remain the same. 18) About 360. 19) No. You’re perhaps confusing me with Jason Bourne!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABS: They definitely would along mountainous terrain, bit once one descends down into the TAR’s plateaux the situation begins improving in favour of the systems deployed. 2) Prithvi-3 has greater warhead mass & very high terminal accuracy. RLG-INS coupled with IRNSS-specific GPS receiver is a highly accurate navigation package for both NLOS-BSMs & cruise missiles & offer 3-metre CEPs. Furthermore, such missiles can be launched safely away from the frontlines & can also be stashed away 300km away from hostile ISTAR assets. IA’s Heron-1s are now being upgraded to accept the EL/M-2055 SAR & when flying at altitudes of 20,000 feet, they will be able to look as deep as 180km into enemy territory. Prahaar has a much lower warhead mass & therefore it makes no sense to acquire it when armed with conventional HE warheads. In contrast a Prithvi-3 with a 1-tonne HE warhead becomes far more lethal.

To DEFENSEandAEROSPACE: Batch 3 Project 1135.6 FFGs, not Krivak-IVs. They won’t have the systems you’ve mentioned, nor the Barak-2. The Shtil-1 will instead be present along with AK-630Ms. Howewer, in future, the VL-Shtil that is similar in performance to the Barak-2 in terms of neutralising supersonic ASCMs will probably be procured during the mid-life refits of such vessels. Right now, the Shtil-1 is quite capable of engaging & destroying sea-skimming subsonic ASCMs like the C-802 family of ASCMs.

To ANAND: Very good question indeed. It has already been test-fired a few times & its service induction certification work is now in progress & that’s why its poster was shown for the very first time at this year’s Aero India 2013 expo at the MoD’s DGAQA booth. Spoke to the DGAQA officials as well about it & also to IA’s Field Artillery Directorate during last month’s Firepower 2013 seminar & all these details will be uploaded along with visuals in the upcoming thread on IA’s field artillery transformation prospects that O’m still trying to complete despite my time constraints, rest assured.

ArunM said...

Sir, What is the use of the Chitradurga aeronautical test range?

By 2017 Turkey,Australia,UK,Italy will be receiving their initial batches of F-35.IAF can also go for some PAK-FA with Item 117 engines though there will be some logistical problems.

Why dont IA,IN,IAF conduct thetare level exercises with Russian armed forces as we do with US,France,UK. After all most of our military hardware are of Russian origin.

What is the status of Darin 3 upgrade?Will the actual upgradation process start by 2014?

What is the status of vendor selection of Tejas mk2 sensors,ew and avionics systems?

I NAG ATGM using Data patterns developed IIR seeker?

How technologically advanced is the VEM fabricated Ku band active radar seeker of PDV?Who has provided the required technological expertise to VEM?

sntata said...

“Today, the Indian Army is the only army in the world to possess the supersonic cruise missile,informed Pillai”
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=20180

Dear Prasun,
Sivathanu Pillai has been saying this on a number of occations. Is not Yakhont, whose clone is Brahmos, supersonic and in service with Russia and some other countries?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARUNM: All data on DRDO’s Chitraguda range is contained in a poster that was uploaded in my first AERO INDIA 2013 show report thread. PAK-FA’s on-board mission avionics suite will be totally different from that on the FGFA. Consequently, it will be vost-prohibitive to initiate flight conversion for both types, even if done sequentially. Language barrier is the reason why such exercises with Russia & all other Russian-speaking countries are avoided. Plus, none of India’s senior military officers have ever been to higher military academic institutions located in these countries either during the Cold War era or even in the recent past. All Indian military officers have either been UK-tarined or US-trained. DARIN-3 flight certification trials are presently underway & will take at least 18 months to be completed. Not Nag, but HELINA. The ARSEEK was indigenously developed by DRDO & its production technology was transferred to VEM.

To SNTATA: Dr Pillai is absolutely right, since the Yakhont is an ASCM for maritime strike, as is its Bastion version. Yakhont has not yet entered service with Russia but has been exported to Syria, Indonesia & Vietnam. In other words, the land-attack version of Yakhont does not exist. BrahMos-1 has the same airframe, propulsion system & SGH active radar seeker as the Yakhont, BUT the on-board navigation system is 100% of Indian origin & the BrahMos-1’ land attack version’s target acquisition algorithms are also 100% Indian, meaning no one else in the world, not even Russia, presently possesses such an operational missile.

Subir said...

Sir,VMT.VMT

1.DRDO hasnt released any photos of Prithvi-3 yet.It is a new product perhaps.By Prithvi-3,i was thinking about the land based variant of Dhanush.

2.Is the range of Prithvi-3 600 km when carrying a 1 ton warhead?

3.Will it be possible to develope a radar seeker for Prithvi for Brahmos like accuracy.?

4.Besides HE warhead wont it be able to carry cluster munitions?

5.Cant IA DGoA ask IAI to customise EXTRA for Prthvi.Prthvi-3 plus Extra will make one hell of a combination.

6.If IA wants Prthvi-3 why cant it go the extra mile and opt for Shaurya instead?It also carries a 1 tone warhead and has 700 km range?

9.is Prthvi-3 a cannisterised missile?How many can be carried per TEL?

10.In your talks with DGAQA ,what did you find out?Arent they at all interested in Prahaar?So,will Prahaar end up as a mere technolgy demonstrator?

11.Pakistan has recently acquired 600 km class DF series solid fuelled tactical ballistic missiles.Then why is PA using Nasr and other Chinese NLOS-BSM?

12.IA heron-1 are being fitted with Elta 2055 sar whereas IN Herons are getting 2052 aesa?Why cant they both go for aesa.2052 can also generate high quality sar images.

13.The JSOW type PGM that ADE is developing are they part of the Sudarsan family of PGMs?

14.The maws of msws have been developed by Cassidian whereas the CMD and IR jammers are from Ukraine's Adron.The jammer is AT-02.

15.Do you think the phase 2 contract will be signed this year?PN is making rapid strides in its submarine based underwarfare capabilties.Next year perhaps the first of Qing class SSK with AIP will start arriving.\

16.Why didnt IN take up the offer of fiiting AIP to its 4 Sishumar class SSK?

17.In Firepower 2013 seminar in your talks with IA senior officials did you find out whether army will get ground launched Nirbhay?The desi media specially NDTV is saying it will be India's Tomahawk and will be ground,air,ship launched.

18.In your talks with Army air defense officials what did you find about L-70 replacement?What is the next best platform available after Rheinmetall Skyranger?

19.Phase 1 BMD will never be opeartional and deployed in NCR.Did you find this out in Firepower.

20.I am wishing you all the very best in your coming endeavours.being a company CEO you are drafting such beautiful threads and patiently answering all comments is absolutely magnanimous.

21.You should join NDA nd become our defense minister one day.

22.How many AASM can Rafale caary.My guess atleast 12 in 4 triple ejector racks.

23.When will your next thread see the light of the day? Patiently waiting for one.

24.And waiting for your book on Indian naval warfare .

25.What is the sea surveil radar on IN Do-228?

26.Is IAF interested in MSWS for Mi-17v1?

Subir said...

Sir,
27.Just a small thing.In your ans to littlemaster about Rafale payload,you said Rafale can carry 10 air to air missiles with a sigle drop tank.Isnt this lower than typhoon which can carry 12 missiles with a drop tank.

28.Pls take up some rest.If you in bad health you wont be able to enlighten us and satisfy our questions.

BIG FAN said...

Prasun,

will the Indian C-17, C-130J and P-8Is all come with full-system trainers for flight crew for IAF/IN pilots and are these being delivered or have they been?


And for the P-8I specifically- will the IN have a full-mission simulator wherein all crew members and operators can train together on the ground simulating missions and combat and can train such pilots and operators on their own without any need to send them to the US for training like this:

http://mayportmirror.jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/13sep12ITC-H.jpg


Delivered to USN already!

Subir said...

To BIG FAN,Yes,they will come with full -system trainers,cockpit procedure trainers.They are an integral part of the deal.

Even the IAF Jaguars have their mission simulators,CPT,etc.Such trainers are only absent in eastern origin acs be they fighters or transport acs or MPA. However after the Cold war to get hold of the foreign aerospace market Russian aerospace companies began developing the trainers and simulators. Full mission simulators and CPT are in service with IN for MiG-29K. IAF has also begun inducting a plethora of trainers for mki since 2010.

Rasathi said...

@ Subir:

Your points 20, 21 and 28 are quite interesting.

What gives?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUBIR: 1) Externally, Prithvi-3 looks the same as other Prithvi variants, buit it will be canister-mounted for rapid deployment & usage. I will upload the DGAQA poster later in the new thread. 2) Yes. 3) No need, because the Prithvi-3 is meant for area saturation. 4) Nope. 5) Extra is a PGM, while Prithvi-3 is not. Besides, the sub-munitions of extra can be better placed inside the Pinaka-2 MBRL rockets. 6) Shaurya is a ballistic missile & therefore can’t be used as a NLOS-BSM. A nuclear warhead-armed Shaurya will be far more useful than a conventionally armed one. 9) Yes. Only one. 10) Prahaar for conventional land-attack is useless. 11) China-origin conventionally armed NLOS-BSMs are meant for use by PA against high-value static targets inside India like transportation hubs, air bases etc within J & K because the PAF won’t be able to wrest tactical air superiority from the IAF. TBMs controlled by PA are nuclear-armed. 12) EL/M-2052 is AESA-MMR & is meant for usage by MRCAs, not UAVs. EL/M-2055 is not MMR, but meant only for ground surveillance & GMTI. 13) Nope. It is totally different, more like the Taurus KEPD-350. 15) Not this year, bit probably next year. 16) Because fuel cell-based AIP solutions from Siemens have not yet fully matured & are still giving problems. 17) No, not in the near future. 18) The Skyranger (mounted on BMP-2 hull) & Millenium (in static configuration) options from Theinmetall Air Defence remain the IA’s favourite options. 19) Yes. 20) VMT. 21) NDA had one of the worst track-records in areas like higher defence management & totally missed the opportunities in 1999 that were provided to India on a silver platter by a blundering Gen Pervez Musharraf. Consequently, while the IA & IAF wanted to do a ‘reverse Kargil’, the NDA govt of the day at that time chickened out of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Don’t be misled by all the propaganda & instead read what I had said about OP Parakram in a previous thread last year. Don’t also forget that despite all talk about promoting ‘Swadeshi’, it was the NDA govt that too suffered from collective amnesia & forgot that India had all the IPRs necessary for undertaking the indigenous production of Bofors FH-77B02 155mm/39-cal towed howitzers & Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs. 25) EL/M-2022U. 26) Only for those that are tasked with CSAR missions. 27) Will that make any life-and-death difference?

To BIG FAN: Yup. All these US-origin platforms will be accompanied by full-flight simulators, cockpit procedures trainers, maintenance simulators & mission part-task trainers. They’re all now in the process of being commissioned. For the P-8I, a simulator for the combat management suite is also part of the package. And for INS Vikramaditya, negotiations are on for procuring an entire tactical mission simulator that can simulate the operation of an entire CBG.

Littlemaster said...

Sir, If a redesigned nose is to be fitted during 1st mid life upgrade,it will involve discarding the present nose assembly and installing a new one.Better to make acs with such noses.
Typhoon indeed carries a heavier payload of AAM than Rafale.In today's modern battlefield extra 2 missiles can make all the difference since today BVR combats will essentially involve ripple shots of IR and active aam.
Instead of the centreline fuel tank how many AAM can be carrried.?Dassault official cite gives the no of hardpoints as 14 on Rafale c and B and 13 on M.If 13 includes triple ejector racks then the no would be more than 14.
A payload of 7 KEPD 350 is just awesome.It surpasses Typhoon.Will IAF procure Taurus or Storm Shadow?
Rafale is truely a good strike platform.How many ALARM can Rafale carry?In Tornado IDS Alarms were carried in clusters of three.This tripled the no of alarms carried by Tornado.is it same in Rafale?
I have read about uprated powerplants in your "Dassault Aviation’s Rafale Wins India's M-MRCA Competition". Have also heard about IAF's interest in installing such powerplants from the very 1st ac.
Snecma has launched two M88 upgrades.One is TCO the other is ECO.ECO was launched in 2006.ECO aims at increasing thrust to 20000 wet and 17000 dry thrust.ECO has completed R&d and is most probably availabe to now.It is currently available.By the time the 1st IAF jet arrives by 2016,iw will be a mature product.IAF must ask for the uprated variants in their Rafales.
Have also heard that IAF's insistense for uprated M88 was leading to some delays in the Rafale contractual negotiations.In an upcoming thread can you kindly post the pics of Rafale scale models and write about its latest developements.
What makes Spectra more capable than DASS?What are the improvements of FSO-IT over FSO?
Doesnt FSO-IT's small IRST aperture redues its range.The more the IRST FLIR sensor aperture the more photons it will capture thus enhancing the range and sensitivity.
Where will active towed decoy launchers be installed on Rafale?If it is fitted on a hardpoint it will reduce AAM load.
When will Thales introduce active cancellation technolgies into SPECTRA?It is under developement for quite a long time.
Is there any progress on Eurojet EJX uprated turbofan being developed by Rolls Royce?Will Snecma field a supercruise variant of M88 before 2018.

Can you comment on the nature of the intakes on Rafale.Are hey of the fixed type like MiG-27 which was optimised for low alltitude aerial warfare and strike missions.

I have a Vityaz pdf brochure.Vityaz offers a choice of two different SAMs.One of them can achieve a 40 km range.The other is strictly anti PGM,ARM and has a 12 km range.It is being marketted as a successor to SA-3 Pechoras.
The Derby SAM variant which is fitted with boosters is part of Spyder-Mr system.Whats the range of IRIS-L?It is sure to be atleast 30.It will be the best QRSAM option for IAF?What is IA doing with its four Syder-SR regiments.

AJ said...

Thanks Prasun Da.

Anonymous said...

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/decentralisation-top-priority-new-drdo-chief-113060700032_1.html
some positive move by new DRDO chief. What do you think it will help delivering product and conducting R&D in quick time?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda, in the earlier comments you said shiti SAM is quite capable of intercepting subsonic AShM, but the newer generation of Chinese missiles like CM-400AKG are said to be hypersonic at terminal stages. Can Barak-8 intercept these? and are we going to see any Kolkata or Kamorta class ships inducted into IN this year?

abs said...

@Prasunda
1)Are you trying to hint that the IA's ground based EW assets would be used with the offensive elements that would venture into Tibet?
2)That would make the IA's elements tasked with defensive roles vulnerable. I agree that the terrain would not allow for extensive usage of PGMs during contact battles, however EW could jam the fuzes of artillery projectiles and also jam the supporting choppers sensors and radars, besides being valuable against MBRL rockets during the contact battle.
3)What happened to the Nimrod type laser guided Anti Tank missile that was being developed jointly by the IAI and ARDE back in 2009?
4)How can IA/IAF's Heron-1/2s be used along the LAC as the heavy crosswinds would be enough to knock them off. You had mentioned in your old blog that the IAF has ordered 12 Heron-TPs. Whats the present status?
5)Any plans of developing a SLAM type standoff weapon? especially with the IIR around the horizon?
6)Will the IN go for CEC type capabilities in its CBGs?
7)Could we see the formalisation,in future,of A2-AD type posture in the IOR?

Anonymous said...

http://idrw.org/?p=23004

Hope this steps bring the necessary results. PSG your views.
Compared with Sarswat, Chander is more practical person

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@1.14PM: CM-400AKG is still just a paper-design & there’s no evidence of it being flight-tested. Furthermore, no solid-fuelled missile like this one can ever be hypersonic & therefore don’t be fooled by all the unscientific propaganda. Earlier, someone else had posted another type of such propaganda b y claiming that an AESA-MMR had been developed by China, when the photo shows only a swashplate-mounted antenna housing IFF dipoles.

TO ABS: 1) Of course, for that’s exactly why systems like the Samyukta were developed in the first place. 2) Yes, that is a distinct possibility. 3) It did not see the light of day & was discarded. 4) Cross-winds exist only at lower altitudes (up to 15,000 feet) over land & water. At medium altitudes & above cloud cover the wind conditions are stable. But from such altitudes, optronic sensors are of no utility & therefore SAR-based sensors have to be used for terrain-scanning. Export of Heron TPs to India was forbidden by Israel under US pressure & therefore India has no other choice but to develop the Rustom-2. 5) The Smart Air-to-Surface Weapon (SAW)—closely resembling a Taurus KEPD-350—is now under development by DRDO. 6) Of course, after GSAT-7 becomes operational. 7) Unlikely in the near-term.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

And what should we make of this:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/05/307258/israel-doomsday-nuke-base-revealed-by-us/

Anonymous said...

Prasunji,

3 meters CEP is already achieved by GAGAN project, which will achieve such remarkable accuracy by combining the GPS, GLONASS and the Galileo co-ordinates. It is also publicized that the device will fly on all high valued air borne platforms for high precision co-ordinates. Then what IRNSS is going to offer different from GAGAN device. beyond that GAGAN is having the scope to get precision co-ordinates on all over the planet, where as IRNSS offers such PY code accuracy only upto 1500 km beyond Indian region(as stated). So what additional IRNSS is going to offer which the GAGAN is not offering at present. VMT

Saran said...

Dear Sir
How to understand this achievement by USSR and any similar or other abandon project (in Ex USSR) for India to re start,funding?,Thanks.

F-35B: Born in the USSR?
http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/06/07/f-35b_born_in_the_ussr_25935.html

http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/yak_141.htm

abs said...

@Praunda
Very Many Thanks for your kind replies.
1)I would not put Prahaar as "useless", as it is a PGM as compared to the Prithvi-3. Based on my understanding the Prithvi-3 would be used to strike hardened and heavily fortified strategic infrastructures like C&C centres,air bases, pre-surveyed SAM and SSM sites. While the Prahaar would be used for delivering Sensor Fuzed Munitions atop hostile Tanks during a contact battle, as well as strike staging areas of mechanised/armoured/infantry formations. So basically the Prithvi-3 is all about reducing the IA's dependence on the IAF for conducting rear and tactical interdictions. While the Prahaar is for Close Air Support and BAI.
There are still some questions which I would like to put up before you once you post your thread on artillery modernisation.
2) Its heartening to see the DRDO go into a belated overdrive to come up with standoff PGMs both for the IA and IAF.
3)Any way of knowing what could be the IA's EW elements for the formations who are engaged in defensive operations?
4)Don't you think the Strike Corps could be broken down into several more IBGs with organic aerial and field artillery firepower assets? I think the IBGs has enough firepower to be able to capture 30km of enemy territory.


Lastly, regarding http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/05/307258/israel-doomsday-nuke-base-revealed-by-us/
It seems the author Mr.Gordon Duff was smoking some Pakistani sponsored weed and therefore totally lost his mind thereby producing an article that only would lead to a painful hangover for the readers.Though thats certainly not the case with the Iranians commenting, I guess SHIT HAPPENS.

Anonymous said...

@Prasunda & @abs if the news http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/05/307258/israel-doomsday-nuke-base-revealed-by-us/ is a laughing stock, then just for once go through the news site specially of India section in http://rupeenews.com/

Subir said...

Sir,
1.What are the options available to IAF and IA for protection of airbases and other vital military infrastructure in jammu Kashmir from Pakistani solid fuelled TBM and NLOS-BSM?

2.How many Prithvi-3 regiments is IA hoping to raise?

3.Can Barak-8 intercept succesfully Prithvi-3 class solid fuelled TBM,NLOS-BSM?It was designed keeping this in mind.

4.Is the 4th Brahmos regiment for Arunachal Pradesh having blk 3 missiles already sanctioned for raising?When it will get deployed?

5.Is any JSOW type standoff PGM that is not powered and glides to its target under developement.I have great difficulty in understanding one thing.AASM is rocket powered and still it has only 60 km range when launched from altitude whereas JSOW with just swept back wings is able to fly for 100 km and so is Boeing SDB.

6.What will be the cardinal differences between SAW and air launched conventional Nirbhay?Nirbhay will be having a 750 km range with a 450 kilo warhead.Its weight is 1350 kilo.Taurus has a 500+ km range with 500 kg mephisto warhead.It also weighs around 1350 kilos.

7.When will SAW,MBDA QR-SAM be opeartional?

8.What is IA's preferred QRSAM choice?Will the contract for 5 regiments get signed this year?

9.Elta 2054 is an advanced aesa derivative of 2055 which will be installed in IA's heron.If 2054 was instead selected there would have been commonality between IN and IA heron fleets.

10.Cant IA procure advanced integrated ELINT,ESM,SIGINT,COMINT suites mounted on a higly mobile TEL and deploy them around major Army bases,ordance depots,troop garrisons,armour storage areas and airbases.Thy can jam GPS and vastly reduce the accuracy of hostile LACM,ALCM,NLOS-BSM,TBM.

11.These jammers can also jam the SAR radars of hostile ISTAR assets thus making standoff IMINT impossible for the enemy.

12.Official Shtil posters that you have uploaded in previous threads shows Shtil-1 as being capable of intercepting supersonic sea-skimming ashm at a diatance of 20 km.

13.Initially Pinaka mk2 rockets werent mean to carry cluter munitions or SFW.Only HE,smokefrag warheads.They are evident from the DRDO posters on Pinaka mk2 that you collected in Kolkata ISC.What led DRDO to cahnge its mind and develope cluster and sfw for pinaka mk2?

14.Regarding US allegations about Israeli doomsday bases did India actually help Israel to build such a base?

15.We ourself havent designed 10000 km+ ICBM with MIRV warheads.How can we export them to Israel?

16.Whats the next best option regarding air defense artillery available to IA?Why cant MoD ask for compensation charges from Rheinmetall and other blacklisted companies and unblacklist them?Why isnt anyone paying any attention to the end-user's requirements?

17.Rafale C has 14 hardpoints exclusive of multi ejector racks.10 AAM and a single drop tank consumes 11 hardpoints. A station is there under the air-intake for Damocles LDP.What about the rest 2 ?

18.Just like Typhoon can carry 4 AAM one after the other in rows of two under the fuselage does the Rafale able to do the same?Pls upload some of those photos.A pic is worth a thousand words.

19.Before the last AAD interceptor launch that took place at the end of last year,Dr Saraswat was saying it was not onlya challenge developing interceptors but also the target missiles.hje said they developed a special Prithvi variant with solid fuelled 2nd stage for high terminal velocity.Befor that all tests involved the liquid fuelled Prithvi.
Were some AD-1,2 technologies flight tested and verified during the last launch.

20.What is to happen with AAD interceptors?Wont it be deployed for NLOS-BSM defense of forward army and airforce bases till AD-1,2 become available.Otherwise it will be a costly tech demonstrator with no opeartinoal use.

21.Atlast I think there wont be any opeartional deployment of phase 1 interceptors and radars in NCR.It is because DRDO hasnt still displayed the opeartional configuration of BMD batteries.All such talks of deployment are pure balonies aimed at capturing the minds of ignorant Indians like me.

Subir said...

contd from above

22.Brahmos LACM seeker may be a bit different from ashm.It may employ a more powerful proce.There is huge clutter in land environment and it needs considerable computing power to reject those clutters and home in on the target.

23.Will you tell which radar is present in Su-30mki?Pure bars or a hybridised variant of BARS and Snow Leopard Irbis.

24.Putin has said no S-300 batteries have been shipped to Egypt.Whereas President Bassad has already proclaimed to the world Syria has received its first batch of such missiles.A similar case happened during PLAAF's Su-35 and Amur-1650 procurement.The Russians simply denied no such deals have ever took place.

25.How far is India from securing a permanent seat in UN security councila long with Japan.

Lots and lots of thanx for the ans.Truely appreciate your hard and great work.

Anonymous said...

I had a real good laugh after going through that web-link. when this day will come ... sigh..

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@7.14PM: Before starting to compare apples with oranges, you should have asked yourself the following questions: 1) Is GAGAN meant for use solely for civilian purposes & under an ICAO-mandated airspace navigation facilitation programme? If yes, then will it be permitted to make use of MILSPEC encryption? Is GAGAN fully protected from military spoofing? What is so special about Py-precision code & what makes it different from GAGAN-type GPS navigational protocols? If you had answers to all these, then you would not have even dared to compare GAGAN’s navigational precision with that of IRNSS or NABSTAR or GLONASS or GALILEO or BEIDOU.

To SARAN: Just some nostalgic gloating by Cold War-era Russians that just can’t stand up to reason.

To ABS: Prithvi-3 too is a PGM, especially when IRNSS-based GPS navigational back-up is made available. Prithvi-3 will be used primarily against concentrations of infantry, armour & artillery strictly within the battlefield. BrahMos-1 & Nirbhay conventional ALCM on the other hand will be used against static strategic installations & transportation hubs. For contact battles, the MBRL rockets fired by Smerch-M already have sub-munitions of various types. Consequently, the IA does not favour the Prahaar in any form for the conventional battlefield. 2) The efforts ought to have begun in the late 19980s itself. India lost a decade worth of time in such efforts. Logically, the SAW ought to have been developed first, followed by Nirbhay. 3) Primarily the same systems, but augmented by passive surveillance systems. 4) No, that would be foolhardy against enemies who also have similar Corps-sized strike formations. In the Indian context, IBGs too ought to be Division-sized. Brugade-sized IBGs make sense only when one is fighting against rag-tag units of say, for instance, the Iraqi Army.

What bothers me most about such Iran-origin stuff is the intent behind them. Consider the following: 1) Iran since the previous decade has had a history of whipping up pro-Shia sectarian divisions within both Gilgit-Baltistan & northern Kashmir. 2) Back in 2010 these pro-Shia forces in J & K were openly sporting head-bands identical to those worn by Hamas & Hezbollah. 3) Iran has frequently been raising the Indian bogey in several international for a whenever it had the chance to allege discrimination between non-NPT signatories like India & NPT signatories like Iran. 4) Iran last year unwisely got India involved in a proxy war between Israel & Iran by targetting India-based Israeli diplomats. It is therefore high-time that India reads out the riot act to Iran by sternly warning it against trying to use India against Israel. India has nothing to do with the Sunni-Shia divide, nor does India give a damn about countries like Iran & Pakistan who, despite not having any civilisational or territorial disputes with Israel, nevertheless continue to harbor hostile attitudes against Israel.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUBIR: 1) Already discussed in March 2012. 2) Those now using Prithvi-1s will convert to Prithvi-3. 3) Yes. 4) It was sanctioned way back in 2007. 5) When launched from high altitudes from platforms like B-52 or B-1B or B-2, JSOWs will naturally have an expanded gliding envelope. AASM was never designed for launch from such altitudes. 6) SAW will contain sub-munitions for cratering runways & will also have ground penetration warheads for destroying hardened underground installations. Nirbhay will be employed against static strategic installations & transportation hubs. 8) If the IA & IAF are issuing RFIs & RFPs for E-SHORADS & VDSHORADS, it means there’s no particular preference for any specific product. 9) EL/M-2054 is meant for use by naval UAVs in the high seas, whereas EL/M-2055 will be used over land. 10) That was done a long time ago. 11) That is not always the case. 13) Don’t know where you got that from. 14) Don’t know. 15) Don’t know. 16) Shit happens inside Incredible India. 17) Underwing. 19) No. 20) That will be part of DRDO HQ’s museum displays. 21) Absolutely 100% right. 22) Seekr is the very same SGH. Ground clutter is an issue only when scanning a wide area. Terminal sensors for PGMs don’t work that way because in-flight navigation is very precise. 23) RSLU-30MK PESA-MMR. 24) They haven’t yet arrived in Syria. Where did Egypt spring from? 25) Quite far.

To LITTLEMASTER: Your visualisation of of dissimilar air combat applies only to those air forces that have an all-Rafale combat aircraft fleet. In the IAF’s cxase, air superiority will not be solely the Rafale’s responsibility nor will air taskings involve all-Rafale sorties. Weapons configurations vary according to operational reqmts.

To Anon@4.47PM: It is all very much still a bottom-up approach at the organisational-level & will not bring any tangible results. Management-level reforms must ALWAYS be top-down, meaning the reforms must begin with the decision-making processes within the MoD first & foremost. It must be spelt out what are the future battlefields going to be. Only then can the armed forces & technocrats start figuring out with what & how should such battles be fought. And only after this can can one figure out what are the exact tools that are reqd & in what quantities for the respective warfighters. And ONLY AFTER all this has been figured out should the task be given to the R & D institutions & military-industrial entities to come up with the requisite product solutions. Unless & until all this happens in the very same sequence as I’ve outlined above, tangile results won’t be forthcoming , technology demonstrators will be the norm, India’s military-industrial capabilities & capacities will remain stunted, & it will all culminate in only ‘arming without aiming.

Arup said...

Sir, IN had projected a requirement of several Medium MPA.There were many contenders to the RFI released.Nowadays,there isnt any news on this matter.Is IN considering buying more of P-8I instead of MPA?

What happened to the Prahaar launch that you told about?Is the project under deep hibernation due to IA's lack of interest in it.

Pakistan Army has evolved its warfighting strategis to counter Cold-start pro-active strategy of IA.How effective will it be against Indian forces?Pakistan will use everything in conventional warfighting arsenal to offset IA's qualitative and quantitative superiority.As such they will also employ massed fire assaults using their China supplied 200 and 300 mm MBRL,NLOS-BSM like Hatf9 equiupped with a variety of warheads incliding cluster munitions.These strikes can decimate the deployed IBG and strike corps within a matter of minutes and break the very back of the offensive campaign.Static installations can be protected by anti ballistic missiles. How is IA planning to protect forces on the move and those deployed?

It is not all possible to take care of the opponent's full inventory of nlos-bsm,tbm,cruise missiles.Some type of highly capable abm system is needed by the army.Akash mk1 and also mk2 will be ineffective.The Army hasnt yet shown any interest in barak-2.

Pls ans this part concerning IBG before the publishment of your dedicated thread on pro-active strategy.

Any updates on MMRCA negotiations,procurement of 9 COMINT/SIGINT acs?

If IR jammers and exhaust shrouds were so effective why did the Soviets suffer huge Hind and Mi-8 losses to Stingers? From 1987 all Soviet choppers carried IR jammers and flare dispensers.

Who ahs emerged as the winner of IAF S band long range radar procurement?Any updates on aerostat mounted radars?

Will the smae al31 ser3 power the upgarded Su-30 from 2014 onwards.No contracts were signed for AL-31FMU-2 or AL-31 uprated turbofans with Saturn Lyuka.

Subir said...

Sir, VVMT.

1.Doesnt any IA artillery unit operate 250 km range Prithvi-2 ?

2.Can you tell plainly whether Pinaka mk2 rockets will have cluster muntions and sfw payload?

3.I mistakenly wrote Egypt instead of Syria.

4.By long time ago which year did you mean regarding deployment of ELINT,ESM,COMINT and jamming systems around critical military bass of ARmy and airforce?

5.Does this mean garrison and storage areas of Babina armoured corps tanks,army ordance depots like the one in Panagarh and Alipur have all such ESM systems and gps jamming integrated mobile systems?

6.Do you know anything about the recent Bison crash?

7.By extra 2 hardpoints above the 11 hardpoints carrying 10 AAM and a single drop tank I meant why arent the other 2 being used for carrying AAM?

8.As part of MMRCA contract will we procure Taurus KEPD-350 instead of Storm Shadow.

9.Is the Bars radar on Su-30 upgraded with some elements from Snow leopard to increase the performance and maximum detection range?

10.Is it possible to change an existing radar's twts with new ones?Why cant MiG-29 get a customided version of Bars radar?

11.Do you know the logic behind the absense of maws in MiG-29UPG?

12.It is possible to detect an incoming aam approaching from the front,sides and upper rear hemisphere.But it is very hard to detect missiles coming from below the ac.

13.All AAD launches that have taken palce and Prahaar launches they are all in vain and just a waste of tax payer's money?

14.Do you remember in March 2012 rafale thread you talked about a 32000lb variant of M88 for powering rafales.You picked up its poster from Paris airshow.Can you post this poster?

15.M88 uprated is currently available now.IAF will most probably equip its Rafales with such engines right from the beginning. French af doesnt have to opearte from high altitude airfields and in extreme tempertaure conditions.So they wont be needing such high performance engines .

16.Will the phase 2 Kilo upgrade produce the desired result?After so many years of opeartion,its hulls have become fatigued and its stuctural strength has gone down.Conseququently iw wont be able to dive to initial max depths nor will its underwater acoustic performance be as good as Virtnam Navy Kilos.

17.BDL hasnt expanded its production facilties.How is it going to cope up with akash mk1, LRSAM,Prithvi-3, K-15,SAW, Nirbhay,Astra,Helina,PDV projects?

18.Whats the difference between exapansion of TTSL and zero-lifting?

19.Why isnt IAF upgrading its IL-76 fleet to Il-476 standards?Previously this wasnt possible but now IL-476 is already flying.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARUP: Technology has advanced a lot since the MRMR/ASW NSQRs were framed a decade ago. Today, it makes much more sense to standardize on the P-8I LRMR/ASW platform & instead of wasting the Indian taxpayer’s money on imported MRMR/ASW platforms, the Indian Coast Guard Service should be equipped with 12 MRMP platforms like the EMB-145 & the maritime surface-search version of the S-band AESA radar (the very same that’s now being flight-tested on the EMB-145I AEW & CS) ought to be developed by CABS over the next 12 months. All that which requires developing are new target recognition algorithms for detecting naval/maritime vessels. If the Govt of India is really serious about promoting indigenization, then they should take up & expedite such ‘doable’ projects ASAP. Prahaar NLOS-BSM is indeed in hibernation. Pakistan Army’s warfighting doctrine stays the same as before. There’s no difference between Zarb-e-Momin of 1989 & Azm-e-Nau-4 of this month. Not all Soviet helicopters in Afghanistan were initially not equipped with IR jammers or flare dispensers from 1979 till 1986. These were the ones that were shot down by SHORADS & quite a few were also shot down by RPG-7s when they were flying low in between valleys. AL-31FPs are modular & modules can be changed at any time. There’s no need to buy brand-new turbofans. Just but the upgraded modules & plug them in.

To SUBIR: 1) IA never operated Prithvi-2. 2) No. Only Smerch-M’s rockets will have them. 4) Previous decade. 7) They’re not meant for carrying AAMs. They’re customised for carrying something else. 8) Storm Shadow or SCALP were never on offer. 9) Yes. There was never a need to increase max detection range. 10) No. PESA-MMR version for MiG-29SMT was developed & shown to India in February 2005 but strangely neither the IN nor IAF showed any interest in it. 11) No. 13) It would appear to be the case. 14) Not from Paris, but from Dubai. 16) Just as there is zero-lifing for aircraft, so is there zero-lifing of SSK hulls as well. 17) BDL’s facilities are always being expanded. 18) Same. 19) That can always be done later.

Ni8 Dweller said...

Prasun Da,
It's no surprise that Iran is now playing the big game in ME & else where after US removed it's immediate distraction(Taliban for now & Saddam). It will continue to be belligerent & could well have it's way in propping up the prices of oil if not for the Saudis hold on OPEC for what is at stake is ME itself. So we sitting in the periphery will not be taken with consideration. Anyway we never followed a proactive Foreign policy (except for a brief period under Indira & it's residual effect in Rajiv's first term) and been a humpty-dumpty sat upon a wall on most issues due to the hangover of the Nehruvian school of thought among our elite. If Syria turns out to be another Lebanon (Looks like that's what the West wants as it's flaring up the war so one could be a real winner sapping the life out of Arab Spring) Iran will have no time for propping such things in our land. Is that assumption right? and also best wishes to your current and future endeavour Prasun da.

Millard Keyes said...

Prasun that link you asked us to look at by Gordon Duff, I had a read and I just can't believe anyone in sane mind will even publish such utter hogwash. In fact I am lost for an adjective to describe it. Even rubbish published occasionally have some truth embedded but this article defies not just common sense but it is a replication of some wild, incoherent nightmare that people forget in the morning and can only tell others about the disjointed and unidentifiable characters or places! I mean what is the guy taking? Just smoking pot won't produce such quality baloney! And did you read the comments by even greater idiots? No wonder Hitler got away with his ideas. IAF (Israeli) incompetent against S-300? India supplying Israel with ICBM missiles? Israel ruining American economy? I mean some of these stuff must be sponsored by Iran or someone similar.

Anonymous said...

Sir,Which is the definitive Astra BVR AMM?The pic of the one gave in the recent HAL e-connect magazine is considerably different.It is more of a R-77.The missile displayed during aero India was just for show for had it been the definitive Astra then it would have undergone flight tests and captive carriage trials.

Anonymous said...

Hi,
With Kerry visiting India (24th June) and MMS going to USA (end Sept)..............to you expect any 'deals' to be signed....(despite Chidambaram !!)...........Long list pending with the US......M777ULH's; C-130J's; Apaches; Chinooks; C-17's; P-8I's; Javelins; Honeywell IN125 engines......................

Subir said...

Sir, VMT.

1.Will the uparted 20000lb M88 that you mentioned of in rafale thread find their way on the 1st batch of Rafales?

2.Which standoff PGM was on offer for Rafale ?

3.Presently HAL is targetting a 14 ac pa production schedule for Rafale. If IAF asks for faster delivery rate can HAL expand its facilties within a short amount of time?

4.Why does DRDO officials including DG keepson referring to Arjun mk1a as mk2?Wont there be any mk2?

5.Dr Chander has said that first LRSAM deliveries for Indian Navy ddg will take place in 2014-2015 period.?You said first shipment of Barak-8 deliveries for Kolkata class will take place in December.

6.The MiG-21 Bison unit based in Barmer,is it an opeartional unit or meant for imparting fighter training to rookie pilots.it is a FBSU.

7.Which ships will get commisioned into Navy this year?Pls publish some pics of INS Kolkata trials.

8.If some components of Irbis are installed in Bars,wont it improve Bars performance?NIIP claims that Bars has a tracking range of 140 km against a 3sqm target whereas Irbis can track a 3sq m target from 250+ km away.

9.To be specific what components were borrowed from Irbis?The pesa antenna of Irbis andBars are very similar ?Is the antenna the borrowed element?

10.What is IN doing to counter Pakistan's growing submarine fleet All of their subs have AIP. Mk54 lightweight torpedos will be useless against deep diving PN subs.

11.Why wasnt Shotra IR jammer bought for IA t-90s?

12.Is Russia exporting us their latest long rod Mango APFSDS rounds for T-72 and T-90?

13.How many Kornet-E ATGM still remain operational with IA?

14.Why isnt there any self propelled tracked artillery inn the 3 Strike corps and IBGs?infact IA doesnt have any self propelled and tracked and mounted artillery at all.

15.After the fall of USSR , why didnt India buy various military hardware from USSR and Eastern bloc nations ,Belarus,Czechoslovakia,Ukraine etc,Kazahstan?We could have bought the excess tanks,IFVs,air defense sams,their missile rounds,SA-3 Pechora rounds,artillery pieces,spares of MiG series acs,used MiG-29,air to surface and air to air weaponry?

16.Huge inventories of Soviet SSM are still rotting away in Georgia.A partially built Slava class missile cruiser is lying mothballed in Ukrainian shipyard.We could buy them.

17.After Libyan civil war,huge stocks of ex-Libyan MANPADS were avialable in the black market.Why couldnt our special forces,RAW acquire such weaponry for using in covert and clandestine ops?

Rahul said...

Hi Prasun, Gradually and systematically IAF is stepping up its operations against the Naxalites and Maoists. Maoists have already started firing at Mi-17 copters in well coordinated attacks using large calibre weapons. What if they decide to take the fight directly to IAF?

Many important and major airbases of Eastern and central air command with active deployments are located in maoist infested regions. An important example is kalaikunda AFB.In the days to come it will house a sukhoi squadron and will paly a very vital role in any contigencies in North East.

If the maoist attack in groups of 200 or more as they had done in attacks aginst CRPF and state police convoys,then its game over.

The Maoists are getting better equipped day by day.A major railway route passes by the kalaikunda airbase..
The surrounding area of the base is not restricted.Its easily accesible.
The maoists can also attack the base using 51 or 81 mm mortars.They are easily conceilable and can be disassmbled and brought in vans and bullock carts.After an attack they can leave the heavy weapons behind and literally disapper in the surrounding villages.Any terrorist groups or special forces units can stealthily infliltrate the area under the guisse of local villagers,set up mmortar tubes,lob a few shells towards the base and disappear into thin air.The resulting destruction wiull be huge in terms of aircraft and infrastructure bases.

To further complicate things up,Maoists can attack in large groups.While a huge portion of their comrades attack a particular portion of the base and creates a diversion,the other can be busy preparing the mortars and firing shells.

In other airbases there are several civilian buildings in the immediate vicinity of the base overlooking the runaway.Any opratives can easily take a shot at aircrafts taking off and landing with high powered sniper and anti material rifles.Nobody cares to check the habitants of these civilian buildings.Most of the time they have been living there for decades.Someone can easily infiltrate the family circle.Acs can be targtted from the terraces of these buidings with RPGs.

It will be better if IAF creates a restricted spanning atleast 5 km around major airbases.Then the base infrastructure and parked aircrafts will remain outside
the max range of sniper,anti material rifles,RPGs, 51 and 81 mm mortar shells.Creating a 8 km zone will be most desirable.Even if such land is unavailable,undercover Military intelligence operatives along with plain dfressed Garuds need to patrol the area.Tabs must be kept on all inhabitants of nearby areas .Railway lines which pass in the immediate vicnity of IAF bases needs to be re-routed to a safe distance.

A major railway line passes just outside Kalaikunda airbase.

WWhat if ISI maintains weapons caches inside India and maintains highlyb undercover operatives and black ops teams for sabotage of military equipments? ISI operatives may be housed within the localities of IAF bases ready to strike at a moment's notice during the outbreak of war.Just as war is declared these agents can begin attacking major military bases with a variety of standoff weapons.PA and ISI can go to any lenghts of sub-conventional warfare to retain a parity with our armed forces.

Creating exclusion zones will mitigate such problems.

Have leads been placed for 126 Rafales so that delivery can begin as soon as contract is signed this year? With the not so good economic situation can all the IAF major procurement deals be expected to be signed this fiscal year?

At the beginning of 2013,DRDO disclosed that it had a very important year ahead .Its four major responsibilties this year is Agn-5 launch,Shauyra launch and induction,Arihant sea trials and BMD shield.The PWC of Arihant hasnt even gone critcal.After it happens HAT will take place follwed by sea trials. sea trials will very much take place next year.

abs said...

@Prasunda
1)With the Prahaar going into deep hibernation as of now, I hope India starts expediting the work on the 120Km range MBRL that will deliver SFW and cluster munitions. And perhaps, also look at buying more Smerch-M MBRLs.
2)The Prithvi-3 acquired in large numbers would be a great news especially vis-a-vis PLA especially when targetting the staging areas of armoured,mechanised and infantry. However I was given to understanding that the NLOS-BSMs being PGMs are usually used against static tactical and strategic installations and are not meant for contact battle due to risks of friendly forces becoming vulnerable.And this is precisely where MBRLs and Artillery howitzers come into play.
3)Why did the Nimrod type anti-tank missile R&D get stopped? Did it have anything to do with how the IA intends to wage Anti-Tank aerial warfare?
Thanks.

Tololing said...

Sir i have 3 queries.
1] is regarding pakistani acquisition of the CG-400AKG missile that they dub carrier killer,are our CBGs air defences strong enough to counter this threat?With brak-8 and shtil-1 plus close defence systems?Considering that our naval airborne early warning assets lack any platforms like hawkeye and rely on helicopters like the kamov helix.

2]The chinese themselves are deploying very sophisticated Aship missiles like yj-12,in a future sceanrio a couple of chinese CBG attempting to intervene in the IOR,and protected by a horde of area air dfence ships and such missiles would pose serious threat to us.
Keeping this in mind do you think we should opt for the AEGIS option in the project 17B?Is IN considering the offer seriously.

3]Has the brahmos been retrofitted on the godavari,brahmaputra and delhi class?Till now only rajput class seems wholly upgraded.
Seeing that the bulk of the aship missiles of these ships and our guided missile corvettes are very obsolete amethyst or styx isn't this a priority?
Also rajput class with naval pechora sam and close in barak seems to be vulnerable from the air.What i don't understand is despite proliferation of enemy missiles why IN is putting all its cards on one system barak 8 which has around 60km-70km range when all comparable systems like redut,aster and aegis have ranges well in excess of 100 km and sometimes even over 200.Is range not important?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da ,

Did you read this article about a missile defense system coming up in Delhi ?

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130603/news-current-affairs/article/delhi-get-missile-defence-ring-next-year

Dr. Avinash Chander however , does not give much details except for saying that it's a 2 tier defense system .

Anonymous said...

Prasun, in the recent interview of Dr Avinash Chander by Ajai Shukla the DRDO chief said
"The Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) has to be produced and the first naval warship equipped with it by 2014-15."

So, does this mean no Kolkata destroyers will be inducted in 2013?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun da..
I have friendly disagreement with you regarding the UFO and ETs and aliens.
I do believe they exists but
1} How ufo most of the times tend to land on US soil? When 70 pc of earth is covered with water?
2} How most of the times they land/crash on remotely accesible/desserted land?
3} So many so called reports of UFO sightings in urban or populated areas but not a single landing.
4} What are the chances such thing remaining confidential for so many years in US. ?
5} Why humonoids found on most of the so called UFO crash sites were always captured!
6} If u were incharge would u still kept the area 51 for aliens after all this publicity it got?
Vmt in advance
govind

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Ni8 DWELLER: You’re right in your assessments about the future of Syria but it is now fairly certain that both Syria & Lebanon will indeed become the ground-zero for the global sectarian strife that plagues both the Sunnis & Shias, especially after the recent entry into the fray of Hezbollah & Iran’s Pasdaran. But such sectarian strifes will have far-reaching regional fallouts into South Asia, especially inside Pakistan & Gilgit-Baltistan, where the Shia Hazaras & Ismailis will continue to get butchered. For India this presents both a crisis & opportunity, since, if properly analysed & handled, the stateless people in Gilgit-Baltistan will have to make the ultimate choice—that of either clinging on to Pakistan or deciding to merge once & for all with India’s J & K State, albeit with some help from Afghanistan, which in any case has already stuck its neck out (as I have been predicting since 2007) by refusing to accept the sanctity of the defunct Durand Line. What then has to happen next? Is India prepared for playing the kind of great game that the US has been playing since the past two years in terms of supporting the separatist movement in Baluchistan? How then India ought to exploit the Shia card through a temporary opportunistic alliance with Iran in the hopes of winning back Gilgit-Baltistan without resort to military force? And if indeed India were to resort to humanitarian intervention with the tacit support of the US, the UK, France & Russia & go all out to encourage the Shias & Ismailis to voluntarily accede to J & K, & if this in turn leads to Pakistan resorting to some nuclear sabre-rattling (since conventionally Pakistan will remain militarily inferior for at least the next six years at the very minimum), will India’s armed forces be ready for a high-intensity limited conflict lasting almost 45 days (as was the case during OP Vijay/OP Safed Sagar in mid-1999) by implementing its Cold Start & Pro-Active warfighting strategies against Pakistan? These are the questions that are today begging for anwers for both the civilian decision-makers & warplanners of India today within the corridors of power.

To PIERRE ZORIN: I agree what’s been reported in that news report is utter boulderdash, but one must also take into account the fact that PRESS TV is part of Iran’s state-controlled media & therefore all this could not have come out in the open without the approval of Iran’s political decision-makers. That’s the point that ought to be grasped & analysed.

To Anon@9.10AM: The definitive Astra BVRAAM design is the one that was showcased for the very first time during Aero India 2013 & around which the present-day DRDO DG has been posing around. The same airframe will also slightly modified to become an ARM.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@10.29AM: Most likely to be signed this year will be the procurement contracts for the 145 ultralightweight LW-155s & the CH-47F heavylift helicopters, plus the additional six C-130J-30 Super Hercules. That is fairly certain. Honeywell F125 turbofans can wait for another two years since DARIN-3 avionics package won’t get certified until late 2015 & once the Jaguar IS aircraft start getting equipped with DARIN-3 suites & return back to their home air bases, then F125 installations can begin at these air bases. Remember, the F125 is designed for drop-in installation, meaning it can be installed by technicians at the squadron-level itself. This is so because of the ‘drop-in’ design, i.e. no airframe modifications are reqd for accommodating the F125, meaning HAL does not have to get involved at all with the re-engining process.

To SUBIR: 1) Wait & see what emerges by the year’s end. 2) Taurus KEPD-350 (don’t keep asking the same questions again & again as I had already answered this in this very thread). 3) Why should IAF ask for faster deliveries? Do you know what’s the IAF’s capacity for annual squadron conversions? 4) Ask the DRDO about it. 5) He never said that. What he said was that Barak-2 MR-SAM fitments on the three P-15A DDGs will commence in 2014. Huge difference between arriving deliveries & fitments & confirmatory firings & final weapons suite commissioning. 7) INS Kolkata’s sea-trials photos will be released by the MoD only in August 2013 one week before the first DDG’s commissioning ceremony. 8 & 9) All such data is pure speculation. Only the aircraft operator has the true data. 10) Mk54s were never developed for attacking deeply submerged SSKs. 11) Because it wasn’t reqd. 12) No. 13) 1,000+. 15) And who would have financed all such acquisitions? You? Don’t you know that India was beset with a financial crisis from 1990 till 1996? 16) Stop daydreaming. If that vessel was indeed usable then by now China’s PLA Navy would have acquired it. 17) Because India doesn’t require such weaponry & also because India has after the late 1980s never undertaken such operations.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAHUL: The Maoists possess only those weapons that they’ve captured from the Police & CAPFs. They don’t have their own military-industrial facilities for producing anything more. The Maoist presence is WB is highly negligible since the Maoists have learnt some valuable lessons from the Naxalbari mayhem of the late 1960s. The principal lesson learnt was that such movements will never have a mass base within WB, since the entire Naxalbari movement was totally decimated by WB Police within a mere 6 months after December 1971, when the Police was given a free hand to operate. This very same command-and-control principle was applied in Andhra Pradesh by the late CM YSR & consequently, all the Telugu-speaking the top-echelons of the Maoists (like Kishenji) had to run away from Andhra Pradesh after the Greyhounds chased them out & today all these Telugu-speaking Maoist top-brass & ideologues are scattered throughout southern Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh & northeastern Maharashtra, but not in WB & Andhra Pradesh. WB’s worst-case internal security scenario remains the influx of Nepali Maoists via Bihar & Sikkim into the so-called Gorkhaland area & using WB’s territory for weapons trafficking & related financial activities. And the only way to stop is to fence the entire India-Nepal border, just like China has fenced its entire border with Nepal. But will the Govt of India take this much-needed step? I don’t think so. Nop decision has yet been taken on whether or not to induct the Shaurya TBM in to service.

To ABS: The new-generation rockets for Smerch-M now under development in Russia will have a range of 120km. Therefore, it makes no sense for the DRDO to re-invent the wheel by asking ARDE to develop 120mm MBRL rockets. 2) Even during the first 7 hours of contact battles the enemy’s field artillery assets are largely in static positions, as are the follow-on armoured & mechanized infantry forces. 3) Priority was given to developing the CALGM & Sudarshan LGB kits, instead of the air-launched Nimrod-type PGM.

To ABHISHEK DHAR: 1) SM-400AKG can be easily & effortlessly be neutralised by Barak-2 MR-SAM. Ka-31 will be operating at least 150nm AHEAD of the CBG, meaning the entire airspace around the VBG stretching out to 250nm will be under constant surveillance without any gaps. 2) PLAN’s CBGs trying to enter the IOR will first have to pass through the Malacca Straits & just prior to entering the Andaman Sea they will be targetted by BrahMos-1 ASCMs located in the Andaman & Nicobar islands. The PLAN knows this very well & therefore does not intend to enter the IOR at all for at least the next eight years. 3) BrahMos-1 is not on board the Project 16 & 16A FFGs or on the three Project 15 DDGs. 70km-range of Barak-2 MR-SAM is more than enough for now & in future the 110km-range LR-SAM version of Barak-2 will also be available.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: Let’s all wait & see what finally transpires. 2014 is only six months away. After all, the previous DRDO Chief had stated that by 2013 such a BMD network would be fully functional for both Delhi & Mumbai. But what can be stated with certainty is that only the missile warning sensor on board the Indian Navy’s GSAT-7 satellite will be operational by the latter half of this year.

To Anon@7.56PM: Why are you drawing a connection between the series-production of Barak-2 MR-SAM and commissioning of the Project 15A DDGs? Weren’t the three Project 16A Brahmaputra-class FFGs commissioned without any SAMs & didn’t they remain without any on-board SAMs for more than 5 years?

To GOVIND@9.53PM: 1) Whosoever said that? UFOs have been known to have landed in all continents. Since the 1960s they have landed in several central & south American countries, in Iran, Japan, China, India, etc. 2) For the very same reasons every IAF pilot ensures that in the event of a crash, populated areas are avoided so as not to risk any civilian casualties. 3) Not true at all, since Billy Meier of Switzerland himself admitted (with photographic evidence) that in the late 1960s when he was in India for some sort of spiritual quest, he had visitations from UFOs at the Mehrauli farmhouse that he was staying in. 4) They’re not confidential any more. That’s why I’ve uploaded so many YOUTUBE weblinks that contain the testimonies of various US officials involved with such programmes. 5) Only those found alive were ‘captured’. 6) Why not? For as long as I have all the legal means necessary for maintaining such secrets, it would be a walk-in-the-park for anyone, not just me, to maintain such secrets. There’s not just Area 51, but also Area 52, Area 53 & Area 54, plus the underground site at Dugway in Utah State.

Anonymous said...

Prasun

I am a newbie to defense news and strategies- but this is the best blog by far that I have had the privilege of reading. So much so that I don't even find any excitement in following other sources - they usually provide incorrect information, knee-jerk and / or superficial or overly simplistic analysis- all I can say is many thanks

financeblogger said...

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130607/181563795/Russian-Nuclear-Submarine-Contracts-Underpriced.html

Is underpricing of contracts restricted to submarines only or have other instances come to the fore? What would be the impact on the quality of end product. There is also mention of Nerpa submarine leased to Indian navy. Also request you to kindly shed reason/s why is Indian government still financing and partnering with Russian defence projects (e.g. 5th generation fighter aircraft, mrta and many more). Would such practice continue even in future? Does Europe not make more logical sense?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the reply..........clear and to the point as usual.............

what news of the SS-3 ?? By when do you think the deal will be formalized ?? Deliveries by when (start-complete) ?? Based where ?? would be equipped with what radars/defensive-offensive systems ?? how would this dovetail with the P8I's (LRMR) and the still-to-be decided MRMR's ??

abs said...

@Prasunda
1)I was reading a paper by Jasjit Singh (ex-cmde) about maintaining Air Dominance over the oceans. There he has spoken of the importance of large 60000 tonne plus aircraft carriers in establishing air dominance over the oceans and how the aircraft carriers have served potent coercive diplomatic tools for the US and hence the emphasis of PLAN to procure deterrence by means of denial to such CBGs of the USN.

In this light, say after 8 years(as a basis of the timeframe in which the PLAN CBGs, as standalone destroyers and cruisers could never have the form of offense or defense to pose as a grave threat, would be able to venture into IOR). What countermeasures would the IN resort to in order to render the usage of such CBGs ineffective?
Positioning of the Brahmos ASCMs are a step in the right direction, but it is to be remembered that the CBGs of PLAN would have enough long range LACMs that would be launched in salvoes from long ranges to saturate the air defences guarding the Brahmos ASCM batteries.
in this context
a) dont you think formalisation of an A2-AD posture by the IN say 10 years down the line assumes significance?
b)the above mentioned shortages could be nullified to some extent by the usage of Air Launched ASCMs. For which investments in long ranged AEW&CS would be required with the P8Is or BAMS UAS' providing the OTHT cues.
c)Do you think the IN's existing set of conventional submarines would be sufficient as an area denial platform to the PLAN CBGs (remember within 15 years the PLAN could have more than 1 CBG).
d)If NLOS-BSMs have become PGMs due to advances in navigation and now can ensure CEPs of 3m, fitting them with an active/semi active radar seeker, could be effective counters to such CBGs. In this regard an idea mooted by you seems probable, like increasing the range of Shourya and making it an ASBM. Recent developments in NCW would enable effective OTHT cues.
e)What are the IN's plans to establish air dominance over the oceans in the future? especially vis-a-vis an CBG of the PLAN in a one to one scenario?

2) In the scenario you highlighted of G&B and Northern Areas, it seems India should be playing a great game of her own. Joining hands with Iran and Afghanistan and clearly dictating what the roles of Iran and Afghanistan would be in such a game. Meanwhile also actively supporting the Balochistan national movement and joining hands with the US.
Iran could be lured into it due to various reasons, foremost among them are the sectarian concerns of Iran. While India could also assure Iran of more investments and business. Afghanistan would favour India as a weaker Pakistan would serve its interests and help it in its goal of achieving a stable Afghanistan that is secured besides strengthening its position vis-a-vis Pakistan and its territorial claims. Afghanistan could also be lured by the opportunity of getting access to ports through India once the G&B becomes part of India. So basically this becomes a win-win for India.
On the flipside, rising sectarian violence in G&B might create a situation of illegal immigrants for which India has to take necessary steps.
However there could be a risk to the way India would ideally want Pakistan to act towards Afghanistan in case the above situation unfolds.

Though I think you have missed the China factor in the above scenario. China viewing G&B strategically as far as Xinjiang and Tibet is concerned would play hard ball. However India can promise China transit facilities to China through the G&B areas just like Afghanistan. All these could be done provided an expeditious settlement of the India-China boundary dispute.

abs said...

contd. from above
a)Give your views regarding the above?
b)Don't you think India needs to unleash its sub-conventional doctrine for effective management of the situation above?
c)Pakistan would always remain a threat to India sub conventionally, so its better to break it apart. Jihad waged by the PA has nothing to do with Kashmir.As can be borne out by the fact that slowly PA has pushed Jihad into India's interiors thereby contradicting anyone who claims PA waged Jihad in Kashmir to influence people to its mould.
d)If the refugee influx situation comes to such a state that India has to actively engage in G&B like in Bangladesh, for which India might have to go to war, do you think IA would or could bring the entire G&B and PoK into its fold?

3)Recently read a CLAWS article stating how China is providing active support to the United State Wa Army in Myanmar, and even providing them with choppers equipped with air to air missiles.He states how China is actively trying to push Chinese insurgents in order to gain total precedence in this region. I think, if true, this is a very wrong move by the Chinese as it would alienate the Junta and its Army from China, something that would serve India and the US very well. What are your views as to why this is happening? I don't think the Wa army would be able to overthrow the Junta and hence feel China is being shortsighted in this endeavour.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da ,

Not sure if you have read this cost estimation method already :

http://es.slideshare.net/agromera/an-agile-costestimatingmethodologyforaerospaceprocurement


Also , a guy in Moscow send me this link about Russia's latest ICBM which was tested this week :

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130607/942136785.html

It is called "Frontier" and it seems can penetrate the US missile defense system.

Regards,
Vikram

F said...

Prasun,

PLAN has received its first Zubr from the Ukraine. Unless they can be launched from LPDs, the Zubrs will only come in useful against Taiwan due to range limitations. Or are they intended for use in the Spratleys, for which case they will have to be launched from LPDs.

Is there any truth to a report that came out in the 1990's which the Iranians were experiencing a barnacle problem on the hulls of their Kilos and help was provided by the IN? Did you hear of this?

In your opinion, what did the Chinese intend to achieve sending a task force of 4 PLAN vessels some 80km off the Malaysian coast? What was the message they intended to send and was it aimed solely at Malaysia? The RMN Chief said that KD Perak [a Meko A100] was monitoring the PLAN task force.



Defense and Aerospace said...

Prasun ,

(1) The Israelis are claiming that Spike has won the ATGM contract for the IA. The Javelin according to the Times Of India was ruled out after a ToT request was turned down by the Vendor. Why is the MoD bluffing the public and not announcing the winner ?

(2) Financial Express is reporting that deals worth $25 billion will be signed by IAf this fiscal . Any truth in this ?

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/iaf-to-close-deals-worth-25-bn-this-fiscal-including-mmrca-boeing-apache-longbow-helicopters/1126144

Rahul said...

Hi Prasun, If the Maoists are supplied with heavy weaponry and sophisticated rifles by foreign intel agencies.They can be smuggled via Nepal India border and highly volatile NE border with Myanmer,China.BSF personnels are ultra corrupt and will let anything through for a huge bunch of money.Then theres the WB police guarding WB border with Bangladesh.They are another bunch of corrupt ...The earned money is distributed right from the grassroot level constable to the top.There in the border adjacent areas the police and BSF have a very ggod understanding among them.They have their won set of protocols.Infact there is an integrated command and control system involving all of the beneficiaries which cabe be said to be more complicated than our SFC.

Theres also the problem of sabotage,espionage from foreign operatives.Civilian buildings around many airbases can be used as high ground for launching indirect fire attacks,sniping.Theres really a need for an exclusion zone around major airbases where land permits.

Isnt Barak-8 having a 120 km range?I agree with Abhishek about being wholly dependent on Barak-2/8.When a new sam was being designed with IAI why cant a Standard class missile with 700+ all up weight and 200 km+ range be created?Ii would have been a wonderful complement to MFSTAR.Is IA interested in the 70 km Barak-2.

Russian KBM Iskander M has a terminal seeker for improved accuracy.It also comes with options of various warheads-HE,frag,cluster. It has 400 km range and is very simialr to P3. P2 can also be modified to carry a seeker or various warheads.

What sam cover are the deployed Brahmos batteries in A&N island having?Is it advanced and deployed in strngth to defend against a massed attack?Can this system small RCS threats such as Chinese cloned Kh series of missiles

Ruskies are about to order MiG-35.RAC MiG director is still hopping of bagging the Indian 126 MRCA contract.he says nothing is final with the contract.

After the availabity of OFB Bofors is Army thinking of 52 cal towed artillery pieces?In mounted howitzer requirement is IA wanting an air-transportable automated system with reduced manning,MRSI capabilty,3 rounds in under 17 sec burst fire capabilty.

Ni8 Dweller said...

Sir, you're right. Where there is a crisis there lies an opportunity as well but unfortunately India's ruling elite don't have the stomach for such a high-intensity limited conflict & even if one develops an appetite for such overnight, a decisive mandate will always remain elusive here especially after the mess we made in SL. Had that been a success we would have pretty much been active in Afghanistan by now instead of taking hits at our embassy there.

Unknown said...


Prasun,

when will the deal for 2 follow-on A-50 PHALCON AWACS for the IAF be signed?

Unknown said...

Prasun,

What is going on with this AW-101 deal for the IAF? I've just read that the deal will be cancelled by the GOI and they will be askinging for full repayment. Is this true?



If not, will the IAF be be receivngt the final 9 units from the UK soon? And will the AW-101s become operational and the MI-8s replaced soon?

Subir said...

1.Why am I not getting the message that this list of questions ALL the time is childish?
2.Why do I sound as though I am asking questions to complete my own thesis?
3.When do I do a little bit of research before asking serious technical questions as often I seem to merge my questions with my own comments?
4. Who knows?

abs said...

@Prasunda
Pending your retort to my above POVs I would like to ask you
1)What should be done by the PLAAF in its existing or future combat aircrafts in order to make them take off from the TAR airfields with full weapons load? Or does Mother Nature reign supreme in here?
Thanks

Subir said...

To anon at 1:08 PM.Why the f.. are u using my name ?Do I seem childish to you?Next time I will be waitng for some serious ADULT stuff from you.

Tired said...

Prasun,

When will the deal for minesweepers from S.Korea be signed?

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Hello Prasunda,

I have been following your posts on ET and other stuff. Well its been quite nice to see few of your quotes are worth keeping in a note for every day glance before work

" That’s why I always say that first see, then observe, then analyse & only then absorb & digest the data" this would stand perfect to a student, a old Programmer and infact a lot of people
well please do provide any links for
Analysis of Mahabarath and Ramayan history and any nice links which help common people..
Well This thread has been a long one ..

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@7.28AM: VMT indeed.

To FINANCEBLOGGER: The problem is one of Russia’s internal accounting practices/frauds & the need to keep prices competitive, since labour costs in Russia have been steadily rising due to the fact that Russia’s population has not being growing, but has been in decline. However, industrial QC & QA practices for export orders are not compromised since the export customer’s project team-members are always on-site for work supervision. Therefore, India need not worry about such matters.

To Anon@10.22AM: Deal should be formalised within the next 90 days. Deliveries will commence within 11 months of contract signature. All other questions have already been answered previously in this thread.

To ABS: 1) The PLAN will take at least another 8 years to have a single functional CBG, for its training & proficiency remts will take a long time to be achieved. Even then, the PLAN’s primary orientation will be the South & East China Seas & not the IOR. The PLAN’s main hurdly in terms of entering the IOR remains geographical, i.e. the Malacca Straits. LACMs can’t be launched when the CBG is still within the Malacca Straits as per international regulations, nor can they be air-launched as they will then be reqd to overfly Myanmar’s airspace. The best deterrent against a PLAN CBG about to enter the IOR remains a fleet of SSGNs armed with BrahMos-1 ASCMs. In fact, even an IN CBG would require an escort of at least three SSGNs.
2) If India succeeds in wresting Gilgit-Baltistan away from Pakistan, then the land-link between China & Pakistan will be severed & with it the efficacy of Pakistan’s nuclear detterent will also be greatly diminished. So, will China allow this to happen? It could well try its level best to avoid such a scenario, but if Pakistan is unable to control its growing sectarian divides, then there is very little that China can do & consequently, in the interests of protecting its own internal security interests in Xinjiang, it may have no other option but to side with India. The challenge then for both China & India would be to share the cake by accommodating each other’s interests with regard to Central Asia. Consequent to this, Pakistan would cease to be of any threat to India, since the bases of origin for sub-conventional threats themselves would no longer exist nor will India have any reason for maintaining enimity with Pakistan, since the core issue—i.e. J & K—would then have been permanently resolved.
3) Not quite. JANE’s got it all wrong. What has happened is that the PLA Army has temporarily assigned a detachment of five Mi-171s armed with TY-90 AAMs to United Wa State Army so that it can be protected from the Myanmar Air Force’s Mi-35Ms. This was done to forestall any attempt by Myanmar’s Tatmadaw to overrun the Wa province.
4) In TAR, nature reigns supreme, unless & until the PLA comes up with gravity-defying hardware using electro-gravitic propulsion systems.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: VMT indeed.

To FARIS: The Zubr LCAC cannot be accommodated by any of the PLAN’s existing Type 071 LPDs. They’re therefore standalone units meant to be used for ferrying rapid-reaction reinforcements to existing naval outposts in the Spratlys & Paracels, & in particular against Vietnam-occupied islands in the Paracels. Therefore, these Zubrs will most likely be home-ported at the PLAN’s Yulin naval base in Hainan Island. Taiwan doesn’t figure in the equation as of now. The only Indian help given for the Iranian Type 877EKMs were supplies of batteries & some hands-on type-specific training for the SSK’s crews. Laatly, despatching a PLAN naval task force for undertaking exercises to within 80km of East Malaysia’s coastline means that the PLAN willingly entered Malaysia’s EEZ, which friendly countries don’t do & even if they do, then they don’t hold unannounced exercises, & instead as a matter of courtesy, hold joint/bilateral exercises. The message that was sent to ASEAN was that while China is not an expansionist power, it is not a status-quo power either & therefore it retains the right to change the rules of the game at a time & place of its own choosing. The PLAN is also furiously engaging in seabed mapping of the South China Sea so that its fleet of SSNs & SSKs could in the near future commence undersea surveillance of ASEAN’s undersea warfare assets like the RMN’s Scorpenes & the Vietnam Navy’s six Type 636 SSKs, whose deliveries will commence this August. I’m pretty sure a RMN Scorpene was also tailing the PLAN task force, but such data is never openly given out by any navy & therefore the RMN Chief was probably (and rightly so) being circumspect when talking about the RMN’s monitoring of the PLAN task force.

To DEFENSE & AEROSPACE: 1) Because the deal hasn’t yet been inked. 2) Go tell that to the Deputy Chief of the Planning Commission Dr Montek Singh Ahluwalia & P Chidambaram, both of whom have totally different priorities for this fiscal year.

To RAHUL: Till today, there has not been a single instance of such heavy weaponry being used by the Maoists, not even RPG-7s. The BSF may be involved in petty cattle-smuggling activities, but not weapons trafficking on such a scale.

To KIMRAN SINGH: Early next year, probably. Story on AW0-101 is not true at all.

To TIRED: Unlikely in the near future.

To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: VMT indeed.

abs said...

@Prasunda
Very many thanks.
1)How do you envisage the Indian Navy to establish air dominance over the oceans? especially vis-a-vis a PLAN CBG in say about 10 years from now?
2)Would not the PLA's manoeuvres in Myanmar upset the Junta and result in setbacks in its ties with the PRC?
India could be a big gainer if and when this happens.

Gessler said...

Hi Prasun ji,

1) What will be the final armament suite of IN's P-8I? Other than the AGM-84L Harpoon-II ASCMs?

Many sites are giving many speculations out there.

2) Any possibility BrahMos ALCM (or the future version meant for MiG-29K) can be integrated on P-8I? From what I know we already have an Indian datalink system on it.

3) Any updates on BrahMos-2

3) News says that India is providing 2 x Mi-17s to Tajikistan. is that news correct? Anything other than Mi-17s we are giving them?

4) When can we expect the first P-15A DDG to be handed over to IN for sea trials? It seems to have crossed all previous deadlines fair and square.

5) Has work begun on the first P-17A? It was supposed to start off in January 2013 actually wasn't it?

6) When are the first batch of naval Barak-2 and land-based Barak-8 going to arrive in India?

7) Any hypersonic cruise missile from China on the horizon?

8) Where is LCH TD-3? It was supposed to appear last month.

9) Any updates on DRDO AEW&CS trials?

10) And when is Agni-5's 2nd test-firing going to occur? Will it be from canister this time or not? From what I know the canister is nowhere near ready as yet.

Thanks in advance.

Akhil Suri said...

Hi Prasun ,

Is it true that a nuclear power plant was supposed to come up in West Bengal but could not because Muslims protested against it and later the Fukushima incident was used as an alibi for it not coming up ?

-Akhil

Subir said...

Sir,

1.After nearly a decade of service isnt there any modifications on Barak-1 to improve its performance?

2.Why wasnt Barak-1 tested against Kh-35,Exocet or Harpoon high subsonic cruise missiles?

3.There have been major delays in P-15A Kolkata class DDG program.Some defects were noticed during sea trials.As a result it wont be commisioned till 2014.

4.Why is the press reporting that heavy torpedos are still to be acquired for Scorpene class? Atlas had already been chosen .

5.What heavy torpedosare being sought for Kolkata class?

6.Why doesnt important procurement related files seem to move through MoD ?

7.Is IN thinking of operating without minesweepers in the immediate future.Procurement of minesweepers from S Korea is in deep hibernation.

8.Jaguars were inducted in IAF from 1979.If DARIN 3 avionics package need another 2 years to certify then what will be the use in upgrading them as they will have 6,7 years of TTSL left.

9.Isnt there Snow leopard twts in Bars according to you.If its there its a good news and will result in 40% improvement in performance.

10.For the last 2,3 years whenverI visit BDL official site,I find only 3 manufacturing units.How come production facilties are being augmented?

11.Why isnt Shotra IR jammer not required for T-90?

12.How much longer will it take to select the long range S-band radar and aerostat mounted radars?

13.Dr Chander is telling that DRDO is trying hard to achieve IOC-2 by year end.As you said earlier theres no IOC or FOC as of now.Bt why does he keeps on using such terms?What will be achieved by September of this year if its not IOC-2?

14.MiG27M squadrons stationed at hasimara and Kalaikunda were to start converting to Su-30 from next month.Is it still being adhered to?Then why is COAS claiming that MiG-27M will be phased out in 2017.

15.Any news on the 600 km range supersonic ADM ?

16.Why is MiG-27M coverting to Su-30 instead of jaguar or Mirage 2000.They being ground attack and interdiction pilots will not know much about Su-30 and will not be able to utilise its full strength and capabilties.

17.Instead of installing Al-31FP into our Sukhoi why cant we intsl AL-41F with greater thrust and 3D TVC?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABS: 1) Air Dominance is established firstly by having an overlapping grid of airspace & surface surveillance sensors comprising OTH-Rs & LRMR/ASW aircraft, followed by air bases along the coastline & island territories. Concurrently, a fleet of SSGNs is required. 2) Myanmar’s relations with China are already on a downslide under the civilian regime of Myanmar.

To GESSLER: 1) The final armaments suite is exactly what had been shown in the slides I had uploaded above on the day the first P-8I had arrived at INS Rajali. 2) Why should the P-8I require BrahMos-1A? What is it that the AGM-84L can’t do which the BrahMos can do in terms of destructive potential? And if at all a long-range strike capability is reqd for the P-8I or MiG-29K, then by not the much lighter but longer-range Nirbhay? Cost-wise, it will be much cheaper to adopt the Nirbhay, since carriage of BrahMos-1A will require extensive airframe modifications, like the ones proposed for Su-30MKI. 3) None. 4) The first P-15A DDG was handed over for sea-trials to the IN’s commissioning crew in September 2011. Sea-trials are still underway. 5) What took place last January was only the constitution of the price negotiations committee between the MoD & MDL. This process lasts for at least eight months at the very minimum. 6) Naval Barak-2s will arrive this December. Land-based Barak-8s will follow late next year. 7) None. 8) It won’t surface till September this year. 9) None. 10) Let’s wait & see, since there’s a lot of hype & untruths being blurted out by both DRDO officials & ‘desi’ journalists about several on-going DRDO projects. I will come out with the true facts regarding the Tejas Mk1’s saga tomorrow in a new thread.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AKHIL SURI: It is true that two 1,000mW PWRs of Russian design (same as that in Kudamkalam) wwre due to come up at Haripur in WB. But the problems associated with land acquisition in that area made the TMC extremely panicky & therefore the TMC-led WB govt told the UPA Govt that this project cannot be implemented under any condition. It had nothing to do with Muslim opposition or anything else. It now appears increasingly likely that the state of WB under this present TMC-led govt has decided to follow the footsteps of Bhutan, under which what matters is not industrialisation or gainful employment or any other form of material prosperity, but only gross national contentment/happiness, i.e. survive at subsistence levels & earn only enough for one to have two square meals a day, plus enjoying the odd vices like cigarette-smoking & chewing betel-leaves (& spitting wherever one wants to).

To SUBIR: 1) Why should they be upgraded when the types of threat have stayed the same? 2) Because it was never designed to counter such threats .4) Who says so? Atlas Elektronik has only emerged as L-1 bidder. It can’t be chosen until it receives a firm contract. 5) Same as those for Scorpene SSKs. 7) IN already has a fleet of minesweepers. 8) Jaguars have at least another 15 years of TTSL left in them. Not all Jaguars were inducted in 1979 in one go. 9) Makes no difference. Long-range of a radar means it will alert the enemy through the latter RWR. 10) BDL’s facilities are not all located only in Hyderabad. 11) Because it is useless against passive IR sensors & was developed to jam only the active IR searchlights mounted on T-series of MBTs. 13) Read all about it tomorrow in a brand-new thread. 14) MiG-27UPGs now in Jodhpur will be retired from 2017. 16) This is the era of MRCAs. Aircrew will therefore need to adapt to the new era. 17) AL-41F has totally different internal mountings.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The United States National Security Agency (NSA) has intercepted 13.5 billion reports for intelligence purposes during a period of 30 days in March 2013 from Pakistan. The NSA datamining tool, called Boundless Informant, details and even maps by country the voluminous amount of information it collects from computer and telephone networks. Iran was the country where the largest amount of intelligence was gathered, with more than 14 billion reports in that period, followed by 13.5 billion from Pakistan. Jordan, one of America’s closest Arab allies, came third with 12.7 billion, Egypt fourth with 7.6 billion and India fifth with 6.3 billion. The focus of the internal NSA intelligence agency tool is on counting and categorising the records of communications, known as metadata, rather than the content of an e-mail or instant message. The Boundless Informant documents show the agency collecting almost 3 billion pieces of intelligence from US computer networks over a 30-day period ending in March 2013. One document says it is designed to give NSA officials answers to questions like, “What type of coverage do we have on country X” in “near real-time by asking the SIGINT (signals intelligence) infrastructure.” An NSA factsheet about the programme says: “The tool allows users to select a country on a map and view the metadata volume and select details about the collections against that country.” Under the heading “Sample use cases”, the factsheet also states the tool shows information including: “How many records (and what type) are collected against a particular country.”A snapshot of the Boundless Informant data, contained in a top secret NSA “global heat map”, shows that in March 2013 the agency collected 97 billion pieces of intelligence from computer networks worldwide.

rajenP said...

What do you make of this:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/561701/militant-infighting-afghan-taliban-deny-involvement-in-plans-to-attack-ttp-bases/

It seems the next phase of ISI game is unfolding. All the loose ends are being tied off.

Taliban have managed to hold NATO forces to a standstill (even their advanced tech), some of thir best forces belong to Pak based groups. Come 2014 hom many of these will start to, if they haven't already to transfer their knowledge to their brethren in kashmir?

Afterall if one is realistic one knows what the youth of the valley want. Talk to the field officers and they tell you each generation is getting more and more anti-india (they are also doubling in numbers too). Question is how much bleeding are we prepared for in the valley (and potentially the of india)? The scenario you mention is that our opponents will remain dormant! That is not what history teaches.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun, Pls pls upload the thread on IA artillery modernisation roadmap . You have uploaded many threads on Tejas but none on artillery modernisation since your last blog Trishul. I know you are facing an acute paucity of time. We are thankful to you for the pains you take to reply to the comments.

MIG-31 is designed as a high value aircraft-strategic bomber,ISTAR,AWACS as well as terrain hugging cruise missiles and air launched ones. It's Zaslon radar was designed to detect track low RCS cruise missiles.Its complement of R-33 and R-37 missiles were designed to intercept cruise missiles. Bars phased array radar was derived and based upon Zaslon.So it is natural Bars can also detect and track cruise missiles and R-77 can intercept them.Your views.

rad said...

Hi prasun
You said that the harpoon can do what ever the brahmos can d o , but the bramhos cant be downed by conventional CIWS and that is a big advantage.
please explain the darin 3 features with pic if possible.is it in of shoot of the lca avionics?.
If the russians did not give us py code for glonass then what was the big collaboration'?.
did we ge t outside help for the IRNSS?, are all the algorythms infdian?.
What is the cruise missile alike the kepd 350 that india is developing?.
Please throw more light on the prithvi 3 i hear that the warhead section has control fins like the agni

Unknown said...

@Prasun K. Sengupta
I have been following your blog for a long time, however till this time, tried and engaged myself in understanding the fine minutes and nitty gritty of National Security and Strategy. Must say your blog has been an invaluable experience for me and Im sure many like me. And in my modest quest to further my knowledge Im here posing a few questions to you.
1) China views the Gilgit and Baltistan region very strategically as far as the TAR and Xinjiang province is concerned. The Siachen holds great strategic value to India with regards to the Shaksgam Valley under Chinese possession. Given this reality do you think the Chinese moves inside Gilgit & Baltistan and the kinds of talks it has had with Pakistan anything to do with a strategy to cut off the Siachen from India thereby creating a strong buffer from India as far as its interests in the G&B are concerned? One must keep in mind that Pakistan had suggested involving the Chinese when it came to the talks on "demilitarization of Siachen". If demilitarisation indeed takes place in Siachen it would serve great strategic interest to China.
2)Could the PLA Construction Corps who are now settling down for a prolonged period(if not permanent) be pointing to a larger scale strategy of China where the Chinese use a future Border War to cut off Siachen from India? Do you think the IA and IAF have taken this into account and can hold on their own in case of a future PLA offensive in Siachen?
3)While any move to attack India from the PoK/G&B flank would be taken note of way early and suitable pre-emptive strikes could be brought to bear. A distinct possibility remains that the PLA might send in material re-inforcements to the PA in case of future hostilities against India. Has the IA taken this into consideration and prepared for suitable contingencies?
4)Why not launch suitable attacks to prevent such re-inforcements from taking place in the first place when the truck loads of material assistance is moving down the Karakoram Highway or the newly to be established rail links?
5)I read the FORCE magazine regularly and there Pravin Sawhney have rightly assessed that to take on the combined China-Pak threat India needs to have a detailed laid down contingency planning across 5 dimensions viz Air,Sea,Land,Cyber,Space. Do you think the proposed Aerospace and Cyber command is indicative of the right steps being taken as outlined by Mr.Sawhney?
6)What is the progress on having a joint armed services appraisal of the China threat? and consequently developing a joint services operational plan vis-a-vis China?
7)Mr.Sawhney fears that the border settlement between China and Bhutan would enlarge the scope for a Chinese offensive down the Chumbi Valley. Has the IA-IAF combine has taken an appraisal of this factor in their contingency planning?
8)China has become interventionist in Nepal and with the Maoists gaining access to the leadership have tried and displace India. What do you think is the present state? Whose winning the great game in here?
9) In a future border with Pak or China or both do you think the IA would be allowed to unleash its pro-active strategy by the civillians in the helm of affairs in India?
10)The objective of every military is to deter any aggression and when deterrence fails then defeat the enemy. Is IA-IAF combine capable of beating the PLA-PLAAF combine should deterrence fail? This dissuasive deterrence aims for a stale mate and not victory, while the aim of any military should be to win a war.

Its a lengthy list of questions in my first post. However with time and as I gain more knowledge, I hope to bring down my number of questions. Please do give detailed replies to my above queries.
Ashutosh

Anonymous said...

@PKS
Why and what were the motives behind China reducing the length of LAC unilaterally by 2000km? Has this policy been reversed? It seems a part of a grand design by the China-Pakistan nexus, perhaps clearing the grounds for a possible collusive China-Pak war with India in the future.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasunda
It seems from the questions above that the Chinese presence in PoK is here to stay and probably it is a strategic bet by Beijing to keep India under pressure and fumble. A classic example of 5th Generation warfare.
Or the second reason could be the presence of Chinese troops from the Construction Corps is to deter India from launching any attack against Pakistan for fear of bringing the PLA into play.
or perhaps its both. This way China has shot targets with one arrow.
1)Protecting and stabilising TAR and Xinjiang
2)Protecting Pakistan as well as ensuring its TNW deterrence.
3)Pressure tactics against India.
4)Creates stakes for China when it comes to G&B's future.
India is up against a very big player,in a classic rerun of Ladies Vs Ricky Bahl. Its like China singing "Kya karoon oh Ladies Main hoon aadat se majboor" to India( lady) Lol

Vikram Guha said...

Prasun Da ,

Found this video on You Tube . Not sure how this happens . It seems that the power of thought can fly a model helicopter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VSTLHBrTgD4

Regards,
Vikram

Purbayan said...

ir, I have been a follower of your blog for quite some time. Previously I have posted many comments. I am facinated with machines from a very tender age.Atfirst I wanted to become a mechanical engineer.Then gradually i became fascinated with aeroplanes .I then thought of becoming a fighter pilot like all kids dream.But being stubby and due to eye power,I couldnt. Next i thought i will become an engg and design planes.This I thought of when i read in class 10.I wanted to join DRDO or HAL.

Now I have passed 12th standard and have appeared in various engg colleges. What willbe best ?To do btech in mechanical engg and then do mtech in aeronautical engg.A lot of guys,my relatives,seniors are suggesting to study core engg first and then study aeronautics/aerospace. You are in this field and have met a lot of distinguised DRDO ADA,ADE,HAL engineers,scientists. Did they straight of all do btech in aeronautics followed by mtech also in aeronautics or some allied field OR were they mechanical,electrical... guys? I am confused. To compliucate matters uptill now my father has been advising me to study a core engg branch first,mech and then aeronautics,aerospace. And for some days he has been asking me tostudy aeronautics right from the beginning.I am confused.

Akhil Suri said...

Thanks Prasun for the great explanation about West Bengal . I understand that the Middle Class has by & large left the state so the chances for a new political party in Bengal does not exist . For example I came down to Hyderabad and there are 4 political parties that have an equal chance of forming the next Govt. West Bengal has almost as many people as Andhra Pradesh but just 2 parties that people can choose from . At the end of the day it's the middle class that takes any state/nation forward .

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@8.25PM & Anon@8.38PM: This move by the PRC was meant to actually pressurise Pakistan into taking a quick decision regarding the legal status of Gilgit-Baltistan. By regarding the whole of J & K as a disputed region, China was signalling to Pakistan that it is being even-handed with both India & Pakistan. However, when Pakistan refused to make use of this opportunity to make Gilgit-Baltistan its fifth province, China lost patience with it & instead decided to accelerate efforts to amicably resolve the LAC issue with India & last January itself after the decapitating of the two IA soldiers along the LoC when Pakistan sought China’s diplomatic support, Beijing bluntly rebuffed Islamabad & told Islamabad in no uncertain terms that in a future round of limited conflict between India & Pakistan, the latter should not assume that it can count on China’s assistance & support and therefore Pakistan ought to resolve all its differences with India on the negotiating table. All such details were revealed by former Pakistani diplomats on Pakistani TV programmes prior to the general elections last month. Therefore, there’s no such Sino-Pak grand design against India & in fact given the steadily worsening ground realities in Pakistan, China feels it is a far better option to both increase the quantum of bilateral trade with India to far greater levels & at the same time also work together with India in terms of stabilising Afghanistan & the rest of Central Asia—again a point now being echoed & admitted by discerning & well-meaning Pakistan-based strategic thinkers.

To VIKRAM GUHA: It seems this was the very kind of flight-control technology that was discovered inside the UFO that crashed in Roswell in 1947.

To PURBAYAN: Want my advice? Kindly specialise in one of the core engineering streams, either mechanical or electrical, then get a job & earn some money for a few years & after that, use that money to become a licenced A & C (airframe & engine) or A & E (airframe & electronics) engineer & only then will your skills be much sought-after by the country’s commercial MRO industry. Forget about designing aircraft or anything else like that. A licenced aeronautical engineer is highly sought-after & this will continue to be the case in the decades to come.

To AKHIL SURI: In WB too there are political choices, but for reasons unknown to me, the Congress in WB seems to be in a comatose condition, instead of capitalising on the infighting between the Left Front & TMC.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJENP: Nobody held the NATO/ISAF forces to any standstill, rest assured. Even today, the Afghan President can visit any of the 26 provinces of his country any time he wants, something not possible in Pakistan. J & K does not even figure today in Pakistan’s mind since the PA will be fully occupied with stabilising its western frontier & trying to counter Kabul’s insistence on redrawing the Durand Line. As for the youth of J & K, they’re all suffering from ‘Intifada-fatigue’ & all the separatist leaders too have realised that they can’t count on Pakistan’s support anymore since Pakistan is beset with three serioys problems of its own: the issue of the Durand Line, internal terrorism & the worsening situation in Karachi, which, many Pakistan-based thinkers are now claiming, will become another Beirut of the 1970s and 1980s. That’s why it’s not at all surprising to see that a growing number of educated young Kashmiris are not opting for the Indian civil service exams & succeeding as well—this this auguring very well for India.

To Anon@3.42PM: The number of updates that I’ve given in this blog on field artillery modernisation, especially after expos like DEFEXPO 2012, far outruns the ones uploaded in any other blog in cyberspace. MiG-31 was developed solely for intercepting bombers like the B-1B & B-2, period, and not their weapons load of cruise missiles.

To RAD: BrahMos can be intercepted by any present-day vertically-launched naval MR-SAM or LR-SAM whose fire-control is provided by naval PESA or AESA volume-search radars. There wasn’t any big collaboration regarding GLONASS, just media-hype. IRNSS’ operating software & encryption algorithms are all 100% Indian. The ADE is now developing an anti-runway PGM much like the South African MUPSOW, but it will be powered by a turbofan (the same that powers the Nirbhay) & will carry runway-cratering sub-munitions. It will have a range of at least 400km. Prithvi-3’s warhead has no control-fins since the Prithvi-3 is a single-stage missile flying a depressed ballistic trajectory & there’s no warhead separation at its terminal stage.

To ASHUTOSH DEY: VMT. Will answer all your queries later tonight in this very thread.

Purbayan said...

Sir, I am not very intent on money making.I want to be an aeronautical engineer and join DRDO/HAL in the capacity of an engineer.I am mad about IAF and fighter acs.

Will it be advsiable to study aeronautics/aerospace in private universities and engg colleges in Blore,Karnataka or other states if at all I do btech in aeronautics.Among the top private engg colleges in India offering undergraduate courses in aerospace SRM is there.There are a lot of aerospace related infrasturcture in SRM-CAD laboratires,structural mechanics facilty,subsonic and supersonic wind tunnels(2.5M to 3.5M).I am very skeptical about this supersonic wind tunnel in SRM.But when i viewed the placements of these aeronautics students i found they were all placed in IT comapanies-TCS, Wipro ,Accenture.Not one of them is doing any job related to aeronautics.Now if these colleges were so godd why cant aerospace comapnies recuit from them?

The majority of DRDO ADA,ADE,ASL,DRDL guys were they btechs in aeronautics or in core streams followed by mtech in aeronautics?If I do mtech in aeronautics wont i will be learning less about aircrafts?What should i do btech in if i have the aim of joining DRDO?

Is there any unsaid rule in DRDO,HAL that they will not take any mechnacial eng,aeronautical eng from private enggh colleges?NIT,IIT students are always superior.I think i may not get mech in any of the NITs but if i study from a good private engg college and then give gate exam and study aeronautics from a prestigious instituion will i get a job in DRDO,HAL?

Purbayan said...

Sir,How good is Hindutan university btech aeronautics course?

rad said...

Hi prasun
The usa failed to intercept the kh.31 missile when samples were supplied to them.brahmos has the same flight profile? I believe the sea skimming 2.8 mach missie is more difficult to intercept than a same speed missile that flies at a higher alt.

radha said...

Hi prasun
Don't you think it would better off to get the tech like the brahmos for the kh-58 series missile which is proven and convert into what we like, rather then reinvent the wheel at their on sweet time, this is regarding the mupsow type of missile being developed.

radha said...

Hi prasun
Don't you think it would better off to get the tech like the brahmos for the kh-58 series missile which is proven and convert into what we like, rather then reinvent the wheel at their on sweet time, this is regarding the mupsow type of missile being developed.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PURBAYAN: Idealism & craze cannot fill up your stomach nor can it help your academic advancement, even if you choose to remain a ‘Sadhu’ for the rest of your life. Aerospace courses will only teach you to dabble in CAD/CAM, nothing else. And there is no demand for such skills in India since India does not house global OEMs that are developing new types of aircraft.

To RAD: The US neutralised the Kh-31As by electronic means, i.e. jamming the terminal seeker at appreciable distances.

To RADHA: And from where will such technologies be obtained? Who will supply them to India?

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