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Saturday, April 11, 2015

Taking The Final Call On What Was Originally Proposed By France On February 20, 2006

Chronology Of The M-MRCA Procurement Saga

Indian Air Force (IAF) formulates its Air Staff Qualitative Requirement (ASQR) for medium multi-role combat aircraft (M-MRCA) in the late 1990s.

* Request for Information (RFI) for 126 M-MRCAs, with an option for another 63, issued in late 2001. 
* Dassault Aviation offers to supply 40 Rafale M-MRCAs to the IAF in a single-source G-to-G deal. The offer is made by Charles Edelstenne, the then CEO of Dassault Aviation, when he calls on the then Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh in New Delhi on February 20, 2006. The IAF’s then Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Air Marshal A K Nangalia is also present at this meeting. Edelstenne is part of the entourage of the then visiting French President Jacques Chirac.
* Issuance of a Request for Proposals (RFP) was planned for December 2005. However, the formal 211-page RFP is released only on August 28, 2007. The RFP contains single-stage two-bid system criterion (separate quotes for the technical and for commercial evaluation forming part of the submissions from various concerned OEMs). Bidders are given a time-frame of six months to respond to the RFP by March 2008. The RFP includes a direct industrial offsets obligation of 50%, raised from the original official requirement of 30% as contained in the Ministry of Defence’s (MoD) Defence Procurement Procedures of 2006. The RFP states that the IAF will initially acquire of 86 single-seat and 40 two-seat M-MRCAs, and retain the option to acquire another 63 M-MRCAs at a future date. Of the 126, 12 single-seaters and six tandem-seaters are required to be supplied off-the-shelf in flyaway condition, while the remaining 108 are to be licence-built in India. This will include 74 single-seaters and 34 tandem-seaters, of which 11 will be built from semi-knocked down (SKD) kits, 31 will be built from completely knocked down (CKD) kits, and 66 made from indigenously manufactured kits (IMK).

By late May 2009, the IAF’s Technical Evaluation Committee (TEC) concludes its technical and staff evaluations of the RFP responses from the six bidders.

* Sequential in-country flight evaluations of all six contenders begin in mid-August 2009 and continue through to May 2010. Two teams of IAF test-pilots conduct the flight evaluations at Bengaluru, Leh and Jaisalmer. Besides possessing cold-weather terrain, Leh is a high-altitude location, while Jaisalmer is a desert area where hot winds blow. Planning for the trial schedule began in early 2009, with the IAF test-pilots being trained at the respective bidder’s country of origin to fly the aircraft, under Phase-1. Phase-2 calls for flight-trials in Indian airspace and in Phase-3, the six M-MRCA contenders are run through a series of tests to check the efficacy of their guided-munitions by firing them at firing ranges located within the respective bidder’s country of origin.
* All six flight evaluation reports, duly vetted by the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC), are completed by mid-July 2010.

In April 2011, the IAF shortlists Dassault Aviation’s Rafale and Eurofighter GmbH’s EF-2000 Typhoon.
* On January 31, 2012, the MoD announces that the Rafale has been selected as the IAF’s new-generation M-MRCA and estimates that contractual negotiations should be completed by October 2012 by the MoD’s Commercial Negotiations Committee (CNC) after receiving approvals from the Competent Financial Authority (CFA).
* On April 10, 2015, the Govt of India formally requests both the French government and Dassault Aviation to supply on a G-to-G basis 36 Rafales (32 single-seaters and four tandem-seaters) as soon as possible, subject to contract negotiations for these 34 Rafales being successfully concluded within a 90-day period. Concurrently, supplementary contracts will be inked with SNECMA Moteurs for two spare M88 turbofans, with Dassault Aviation for ground-support hardware for first- and second-line MRO, with THALES for a cockpit procedures trainer and a full-flight tactical training simulator, with MBDA for the guided-weapons package, and with Dassault Aviation for a maintenance training simulator.
Eventually, in the fullness of time, the IAF will end up with 189 Rafale M-MRCAs. That's a given. But the negotiations had got stuck over the cost of licenced-production of the 108 units. India was haggling over the labour cost parameters that are graded from 1 to 10. While the Russians had obtained Grade 6 for the Su-30MKI licenced-production programme, the French were asking for 8, while the Indians wanted it to be limited to 7. So, in the end, a compromise was struck under which India would order 36 Rafales off-the-shelf without any offsets of any kind and the French in turn would tone down their stance & come down to 7. Therefore, in nett terms, the French have won and India’s illogical negotiating shortsightedness (from 2012 till now) has been fully exposed. And NaMo too has realised at last that there are clear technological and human resource limits to how far the ‘Make in India’ mantra can be flogged. And this deal for 36 Rafales was conceived entirely by Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley and was fully endorsed by the PMO. Everyone else was in the dark on this issue. If 153 Rafales can be similarly ordered in successive tranches, then that will be the ideal solution. Because paying an exorbitant price for the so-called licenced-production of Rafales just to keep a few thousand employees of HAL gainfully employed for the next 20 years DOES NOT stand up to logic. Nor does such licenced-production lead to self-reliance of any kind anywhere. Far better therefore to utilise the money saved for the Tejas Mk2/LCA (Navy) Mk2 R & D effort, where at least 80% indigenisation can be expected in all domains except for the propulsion system.


‘Make in India’ For Rafale Has Already Begun
As for those ‘desi’ journalists claiming that the off-the-shelf procurement/s of the Rafale M-MRCA will pose a huge setback to the Govt of India’s ‘Make in India’ industrial promotion policy, the poster below shows just how totally wrong these ‘desi’ journalists are. They obviously did not do their homework during the Aero India 2015 expo last February!  

Ukraine-Origin Products On-Board Su-30MKI
When the Soviet Union dissolved in late 1991, Ukraine was left with about 30% of the Soviet-era military-industrial facilities on its territory, including about 750 factories and 140 scientific and technical institutions. Presently, 300 enterprises, institutions and organisations  employing more than 250,000 people are producing military equipment in Ukraine. Of these, 75 are registered as manufacturers of military products and services that are subject to state secrecy, including rocket and guided-missile technologies. 
The state holding company Ukroboronprom, established in 2010, oversees 134 Ukrainian state-owned military-industrial enterprises that employ 120,000 workers. Ukraine exports the rest, in the amount of US$1.3 billion worth of arms annually, which made Ukraine the eighth-largest weapons exporter in the world between 2009 and 2013. Ukroboronprom’s sales reached US$1.79 billion in 2013, an increase of 17% in 2012. Russia was the third-largest buyer of Ukraine-origin military hardware from 2009 to 2013, after the PRC and Pakistan. 
Following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in March 2014, Ukroboronprom decided to halt all exports of weaponry and military-industrial hardware to Russia, whose outstanding orders from Ukraine in the civilian and defence sectors were at that time valued at more than US$15 billion. Terminating these contracts has adversely affected 79 Ukrainian and 859 Russian military-industrial firms. Ukrainian exports represent only a small fraction—between 4% and 7%—of Russia’s overall military imports. The number of buyers of Ukraine’s nuclear and ballistic missile technologies is fairly small but includes the PRC, North Korea, Syria, and Iran. PRC and North Korean agents have on several occasions been caught attempting to break into YUZHMASH for trying to acquire long-range ballistic missile technologies.
Ukraine’s total arms exports have been growing steadily, from US$20 million in 1994 to US$600 million in 1997 and US$1.5 billion in 2001. In 2002 the Industrial Policy Ministry of Ukraine and China’s Commission for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (COSTIND) signed a protocol on cooperation in the military-industrial arena. Ukraine’s present-day weapons shipments to China in 2002 amounted to a mere US$50 million a year.  In 2002, Ukraine became the world’s fourth-largest weapons exporter and sold weapons and military technologies to China worth US$700 million, which accounted for 31% of Ukrainian exports that year. In 2011, 43% of Ukraine-built weapons were sold to the PRC, while in 2013 Ukraine became the PRC’s second-largest trade partner in the CIS, while China became Ukraine’s biggest military customer in Asia.

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Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: Here’s more masala on the Rafale deal:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-big-fight/rafale-a-new-feather-in-air-force-s-wings/364184?hp&video-featured

Except for AM (Ret’d) Poncho Ahluwalia, ACM (Retd’) Fali Major & VADM (Ret’d) Shekhar Sinha, all others in the panel are bullshitting, as expected. Even C-17As cannot take off from & land on such dirt runways. For that the C-130Js are there. 3) Definitely the FGFA. India is already financially committed to the project & it is too late to back off.

To RITURAJ: So what you’re saying is that the musings & ramblings of an ex-serviceman is reason enough for the RM & his MoD to opt for the Gripen! Is that how your thought process functions (LoLz)?

To MAVERICK: This was disclosed by Mark McCandlish, the aerospace engineer/artist who was contracted by Lockheed Martin in the 1980s to draw an official artist’s conception of the SR-74 Penetrator. The USSR had nothing nor does Russia have anything as yet to counter it.

To ULSER: Yup. Of course AW-101s will be back in service. S-92s are out for good. NaMo isn’t flying on board Mi-8Ts. He’s flying on the Mi-171s & Mi-17V-5s & that too for very short shuttle flights not lasting more than 15 minutes. .

Ved said...

Hi Prasun,
Which version of Rafale will India get?
F3 or F3R?

Will it carry Brahmos?

Krish said...

Prasunda,

Mr Shukla mentions that a collaboration between HAL and SAAB on Tejas MK-2 is possible with 51% with SAAB, 8 month long audit or Tejas Mk-2 design and co-production.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/for-building-light-fighters-in-india.html

I wonder whether it is after all not bad kind of solution. As you have mentioned often, Tejas Mk-2 design is still up in the air, ADA has to make many changes before anything comes up. While Gripen NG is almost ready and a better refined version can come up if they both collaborate. It fits in Make in India as well.

Only problem is price. If SAAB thinks it can charge LCA Tejas Mk-2 in Gripen NG price range of USD 140-150 million, then they are just dreaming. Rafale then would become a cheaper option.

So what is the hoopla all about? Can there be a smoke without fire?

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

I am sorry to use harsh words but Ajay Shukla is a real Arsehole.

1. The way he was interjecting in debate was so unbecoming of professional journalist & was more of like a politician. Is he joining the congress?

2. When RM has already said that decision on CDS will be made in 3 to 4 months why he trying to score the point

3. I think RM need to improve his skills in Hindi if he want to use it or otherwise avoid it. Referring his interview to DD.

4. I can recall that once you mentioned in one of blog entry that Tejas has decision problems which make it maintenance nightmare i.e. some parts are not easily accessible. Is that problem still subsist or there is some improvement?

Regards,


rad said...

Hi prasun
why is the gov coy in placing orders for f125 engines ?. Is that they will be charging more ? we have no other choice. The more the delay more the price.. Is it worth while to get ex raf jaguars?.
. Have they sorted out the integration program for the darin 3 . The iaf wasnt pleased with the flight computer it seems .what i s the major problem?.
Dont you think it is high time we started to develop out own advanced WVR IIR missiles like the asraam or python-5?. The drdo claims that they have engineered an 320x256 iir array,israeli screwdriver tech?.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

In continuation to my earlier queries.

1. Iran's views on Kashmir issue, particularly media coverage by Iranian media very critical of India's stance on Kashmir and more close to religious views of Pakistan.What is your take? how worry that is?

2 Please elaborate on weaknesses of Iran particularly when, it looks like a religiously and ethnically homogenous state.

3. Is Funding for PMO office projects like SSN, SSBN, Missile Tracking ship etc is separate allocation or part of defence budget.?

Regards,

rad said...

hi prasun
shukla just proved to be biased arse hole he had no sane point to put forth .He does not talk about the huge expenses and lack of human expertise to manufacture and the 20 bil$ for 126 rafales, and the urgent need to bolster our dwindling fleet. He is disappointed very much because he could not make india go in for the f-35.Would have got a great cut for promoting lockheed Martin! and a greater cut if we went in for the f-35 .I believe that was a ploy by the US to financially de stabilize the PAKFA program as they know that Russia does not have the money to go it alone.
with russia in financial crisis what do you think will be the route of the pakfa program.Is it really stealthy as the russians claim!! does not look stealthy at all.

Unknown said...

Hi Prasun Da,
www.tasnimnews.com/english/Home/Single/710425 official govt. news agency)
www.iran-daily.com/News/115614.html

Is Modi really going to visit Iran? And if it is what are the motives & outcome of this visit?
Thanks in Advance

Rajesh Mishra said...

It will be very unfortunate if the Tejas-Mk2 peters out and has to be given way to Gripen. This will reflect very badly on HAL and designers of Tejas.

(1) However please inform as to how much Gripen is useful against China.
(2) How really the Gripen compares in prices to Rafale.
(3) How a Swedish Joint Venture will tend to help develop a Tejas-Mk2 that will be better than Gripen.

akash said...

hai,prasun which version of brahmos will be fitted on vishakhapattanam class destroyers, brahmos block 3 with 550 km or 300 km range version.

Mayur M Manapure said...

Watched a debate on recent flare up in Kashmir.
Except Major Gen GD Bakshi and Bhim Singh no other panelist was ready to accept that the militancy was fueled by Pakistan.
Sir , wrt current situation should AFSPA be reviewed?
And why everybody talks about "excesses" committed by Army when State Police was equally responsible for the excesses.

gaurang said...

with all due respect according to you IAF would eventually order 100 LCA MARK1 , but dont you think that they are already critical of it being under powered. also if they even order another 100 MARK1 then the production line for GE404 engine have to be started again as i had read on some other blogs too that it is no more produced.This is my first query after following ur blog for a long period, pls correct if im wrong

F said...

Prasun,

Please bear with me.

When buying big tickets items from Russia, contracts are always on a government to government basis with Rosoboronexport acting as the procurement agency. If for instance, a customer has issues with its BMPs, can it contact the OEM at Tula direct or does it have to deal via Rosoboronexport?

In the case of U.S. Foreign Military Sales, which is also a government to government deal; what happens later when a customer wants to upgrade its Super Hornets? Does it deal with the various vendors via the USN or can it deal direct?

In the case of the MAF, the Scorpene, Hawk, PT-91, LCS and G-5 deals were commercial sales between the government and the OEM correct?

Also, would agree that with regards to air warfare; factors such as who detects who first and who has superior SA, can make the difference? And that on paper, even older, legacy aircraft like the F/A-18C, if networked to an AEW and other assets, will have an edge over newer generation aircraft that are not networked and are only relying on their on board radars?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VED: The latest version of the Rafale that is now in delivery to France will be delivered to India as well. Some Rafales originally meant for the French Air Force will probably be delivered to the IAF, meaning the first four or 8 Rafales will arrive in India within 18 months of contract signature, with the balance being delivered within 48 months of contract signature. BrahMos-A/Mini is meant to be launched from Su-30MKIs only from medium-altitudes. Rafale on the other hand is a low-level interdictor armed with IIR-guided/laser-guided PGMs. Therefore, BrahMos-A/Mini won’t be carried by the Rafale.

To RAD: Not coy, but immediate priorities have to be met first & it is up to each individual armed service to prioritise its procurements. But it is inevitable that prices will increase with each passing year as per global norms or if the Rupee depreciates in future. Ex-RAF & ex-FAFJaguars have all been sold for scrap & are not airworthy or serviceable at all. DARIN-3’s problem wasn’t the mission computer, it was a wiring problem. IIR seekers can be developed in-house with the help of Sofradir’s import IR-CCD chip-processors. But such seekers must have multiple applications, like not just for AAMs or SAMs, but also for ASMs. The more the quantity produced the lesser the cost of industrial production. That’s how the R & D costs can be amortised.

Russia’s economy may well have contracted due to US & EU sanctions, but Russia’s population is also declining, meaning there’s no extra burden on the Russian economy due to any form of population growth. That country therefore remains terribly underpopulated just like the US or Kazakhstan. Onb top of it all, it has huge natural exploitable resources that can be bartered or sold through currency swaps with its traditional trading countries.

To PAWAN: 1) Not quite. Iran changed its official stance in favour of India since the early 1990s. 2) Iranians by nature are lazy & hence there’s hardly any heavy engineering industrial capability in that country. It is heavily reliant on imports of almost all finished products. That’s why it was so easy for the US & EU to bring Iran to its knees through a comprehensive economic embargo. In addition, the ruling clergy of Iran has always championed Shia proselytisation & is therefore as expansionist as the Sunni Wahabis of KSA. Thirdly, being Persians, the Iranians believe they have inherited the legacy of past Persian civilisational states & that this makes them culturally & intellectually superior to the Arabs, be they Sunni or Shia. That’s why the Iranians are quite arrogant & domineering in their dealings with Shia Arabs in both Iraq & Syria. 3) None of them are PMO projects. The PMO never administers any project nor funds them.

To BISWAJIT PATTANAIK: Iran has traditionally felt much more comfortable cooperating with India than with Pakistan. If Afghanistan, India & the US agree to promote Chahbahr as the main entry-port/exit-port for promoting trade with central Asian Republics, then Iran stands to reap tremendous spinoff economic benefits, which in turn will help Iran’s economy to rebound from deep recession due to the global sanctions. Today, right now, Iran requires no less than 500 newly-built commercial airliners of all types to replace those bought in the 1970s. Therefore, Iran requires urgent cash infusion into its economy. India on the other hand wants to import LNG through a an undersea pipe originating in southeastern Iran & then going to a LNG terminal in Oman & from there proceeding towards Gujarat.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KRISH: That news-report is self-contradictory & speculative, because on one hand it speculates that the Gripen-NG is likely to be procured, while on the other hand it states that Saab wants to cooperate with ADA to design & develop the Tejas Mk2 MRCA. These two cannot happen together. It is either one, or the other. What the RM had when he said that another aircraft will replace the MiG-21s was that the Tejas Mk2, & not the Tejas Mk1 or upgraded/lightly armed Hawk Mk132 will replace the MiG-21. People often forget that in the late 1980s it was Dassault Aviation & GE Aero Engines that were engaged by ADA to act as project consultants for the LCA’s project definition phase. That relationship could not be continued due to financial constraints in the early 1990s. Therefore, when ADA proceeded on its own, there was no available help & mentoring from any airframe/engine manufacturer, meaning the Tejas Mk1 LCA evolved into an aircraft developed entirely by scientists & technocrats of ADA without any inputs from either an established engine/airframe manufacturer like HAL, or from the IAF, the end-user. This was a fatal project management flaw that everyone involved from the PMO, down to the MoD, IAF HQ & the DRDO are responsible for since 1986. As a result, the Tejas Mk1 today has:

1) Become quite a complex aircraft to maintain & service in terms of accessibility of avionics LRUs & multitude of LRUs, thereby requiring more than optimum number of maintenance man-hours per flying hour, which in turn leads to increased direct operating costs; &

2) Deficient performance in the air combat arena, meaning due to deficient power from its GE-F404IN20 turbofan it cannot optimally undertake tactical air superiority missions, & is therefore suitable only for close air-support & defensive air combat for self-protection.

Hence the reqmt for Tejas Mk2 where the above two deficiencies will be required to be overcome. Consequently, an entirely new airframe design needs to be undertaken. In my view, a redesigned wing & additional internal volume will solve almost all of the problems. But even for this to happen, the ADA requires guidance from an established airframe developer/manufacturer & in my view Dassault Aviation is the only viable contender for this job, since the Rafale does not pose any competition to the Tejas Mk2. But the Gripen NG does pose a direct threat in terms of export market potential & due to this, it will be TOTALLY ILLOGICAL for Saab to come on board to co-develop the Tejas Mk2. Saab will propose a lot of sub-systems & components of Gripen NG for incorporation into the Tejas Mk2’s airframe (thereby lowering the acquisition coats of the Gripen NG elsewhere in the world), which in essence will kill forever all hopes of the emergence of Indian Tier-2 & Tier-3 industrial vendors. Bottomline: after having spent all this money, time & effort since the mid-1980s, it simply impossible to junk all this into the dustbin & opt for the Gripen NG. Logic therefore dictates that the Tejas Mk2’s development into a mature multi-role platform be undertaken by ADA with consultancy & mentoring from Dassault Aviation. Also, more than 40% of all imported items on Tejas Mk1 are already of French origin, meaning this will further increase the size of the cake for French OEMs (who are also suppliers for the Rafale) to invest in the ‘Make in India’ concept. Therefore, try to stay away from the speculations of ill-informed ‘desi’ journalists who are averse to doing some decent homework on such a topic.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAYUR MANAPURE: Big countries play big games. Unfortunately, talk-shows like HUM LOG etc can’t exactly spell it all out. For instance, do look at the smiling face of Masarat Alam during the street protests. Does he look like someone with a deep sense of conviction or anger or revenge. That guy was all-smiles during this event. What does this signify? Reality is, he has been turned around & is acting at India’s behest & trying to provoke a reaction from Pakistan, & this is exactly what happened when Hafiz Sayeed reacted & started blabbering about his support for the armed Jihad. Now the trap has indeed been sprung, since he can no longer claim that he’s engaging in only charitable work through the Jamaat-ul-Dawa. Consequently, he’s now well on his way to being declared by the UN as a global terrorist. Also watch how rattled Lt Gen (Ret’d) Hamid Gul is in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbTmDbmePPU&hd=1

He’s rattled simply because he has run out of options. His oft-repeated stance on supporting the Afghan Taliban too has coming crashing down because the Quetta Shura is already 2 months behind schedule in terms of its surfacing to hold peace & reconciliation talks with Kabul. Also take note of the fact that Lt Gen Gul never talks about the implementation of UN resolutions on J & K, but keeps on harping about what Pandit Nehru had promised the Kashmiris. Fact is, no matter what one promises, such verbal pronouncements never take precedence over what’s written down in black-and-white. And no UN resolution says anywhere that the Kashmiris have a right to self-determination or plebiscite or independence. All that the resolution of 1949 says is that Jammu & Kashmir’s Instrument of Accession is LEGAL & cannot be disputed, & that Pakistani forces in occupation of PoK have to FIRST withdraw in totality, following which India will re-establish her writ over the entire united J & K & begin working towards a final solution with all concerned parties. In fact, instead of Pakistan, it should therefore be India that should always harp about full implementation of the 1949 UN resolution!

That chap S A R Geelani has wronged way back in 2002 when he was arrested & remanded to custody for an extended period on flimsy charges & that’s why he has a grouse against India. A minor protest procession in a certain quarter of Srinagar doesn’t mean that entire J & K shares a similar sentiment. Foreign tourists who see the armed presence in Srinagar or elsewhere can’t distinguish between civil police/ paramilitary & the armed forces & hence bunch them all together as military forces. If really the situation was that bad & rampant rape & loot was taking place, surely this would have affected the visiting domestic & foreign tourists as well & they would all have witnessed such acts. But this hasn’t happened at all. The average Kashmiri, being used to working only 6 months a year & lying low for the remaining 6 months due to weather conditions, is quite lazy & is not prone to resorting to violence on an extended or sustained basis. And that’s the reason why Pakistan has no use for them & therefore has to recruit sarkari jihadis from the Ravi-Chenab Corridor & facilitate their infiltration into India. How else did jihadis loike Omar Sheikh & Masood Azhar end up inside J & K’s jails? They certainly never applied for entry visas with the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, nor did they parachute down from the skies.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GAURANG: Under-powered Tejas Mk1, as I’ve explained above to KRISH, will only affect its air combat performance during tactical air superiority & defensive counter-air operations. It will not affect in any negative manner on the Tejas Mk1’s ability to launch lightweight PGMs during close air-support missions, or for protecting itself with the WVRAAM/HMDS combination in case it is attacked or chased by hostile combat aircraft.

To FARIS: 1) Spares for all military of Russian origin have to be sourced through Rosoboronexport. The end-user cannot bypass Rosoboronexport & go directly to the Russian OEM. 2) Same applies to the US in govt-to-govt deals, also known as FMS deals. Depending on which US military service is the operator of such hardware (US Army, USN, USAF or USMC), a Systems Programme Office (SPO) is established by the concerned US military service to which all enquiries relating to upgrades have to be channelled through. If the RMAF wants to upgrade its F/A-18Ds, it will then have to approach the USN’s SPO dealing with the F/A-18C/D. Direct Commercial Sales involve only the govt & the industrial OEM. There is no other facilitating party, unless the customer govt asks for it. For instance, while the contract for Scorpene SSKs was inked between MINDEF & ARMARIS, the crew training contract was inked between MINDEF & the French govt’s DGA, because this involved training on the French Navy’s naval bases & training establishments.

In dissimilar air combat involving no BVRAAMs, what matters most is which party visually acquires its targets, either through the naked eye or through IRST sensor. For for looking at the particular quadrant for acquiring the target in such a manner, cues must be obtained from either AEW & CS (& displayed on the AMLCD inside the cockpit by using the JTIDS) or from ground-based air-defence radars. Then the onus is on the new-generation combat aircraft to either take evasive measures like terrain-masking, or use its PESA-MMR or AESA-MMR for acquiring superior situational awareness & activating its missile approach warning system & internal BVRAAM jammers.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: You will find some of the answers above in my response to KRISH’s queries. Last Saturday’s debate in THE BIG FIGHT on NDTV was premature simply because the RM has not yet spelt out the industrial roadmap required for the Rafale deal to unfold in its entirety. This is what’s causing all the needless & ill-informed speculation. And the reason the RM is refraining from outlining the roadmap is because he wants to put it all in black-and-white in a transparent manner in the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP), which will BE unveilled later this month. In that DPP it will be clearly explained what optimum methodology ought to APPLY when creating industrial consortia for undertaking licenced-assembly & through-life product support for platforms of imported origin. Because unless all this is clearly defined, tomorrow a company like L & T can easily go to the courts to challenge the MoD’s decision to nominate a consortium led by Reliance Aerospace or Mahindra Aerospace for the Rafale procurement project. The DPP will therefore outline the selection criteria for Indian Tier-1, Tier-2 & Tier-3 industrial partners & vendors.


To RAJESH MISHRA: Arey bitwa, sasura kaahe itna ghabraate ho? Aisa kuch nahin hoga. Tejas Mk2 will INDEED rise like a phoenix. Desi patrakaaro ki fizul aur bakwas baton to ek kaan se suno aur dusre kaan se dafaa ho jaane do. Bina soojhbhooj key yeh sab patrakar Govardhan pahari apne kandhon mein uthana chahtein hain toh hum sab ko isse kya lena-dena? In sab patrakaron ke dimaag ka fuge barson pehle KAPUT ho gaye. Isi liya yeh sab na sochte hain, na samajhte hain, Na ghaur-o-fikr, na koi tassavvur, na koyi tajjavvur. Sirf jahliat aur naahliat. Bilkul nikkame aur nalayak hain yeh patrakaro ka tola.

To AKASH KS: It will be the ASCM version of BrahMos-1.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Excellent panel discussion--aired yesterday--on the future of Pakistan nuclear WMDs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi4NOWaoZJY&hd=1

Plus, Op-Eds on:

India-Pakistan covert war:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1154894/war-in-the-shadows

After Iran, Pakistan’s Turn To Be De-Nuclearised:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1175368/after-iran-pakistan

Rituraj said...

Hahaha...

Prasunda, Wonderful response to Rajesh Mishra.

BTW I was watching the NDTV debate and couldn't stop myself from getting angry on Shuklaji. He is the one who was shouting from the top of Mount Everest as to why GoI was creating this mountain strike corps!! He argued so much for diverting the money for better equipping troops than creating what he called a "human chain" on borders. Now, when M Parrikar did exactly that he is shouting that why money is being diverted !!! Quite a funny guy !!

Also, you have repeatedly argued that all these TOT is basically hokum, what you get is either screwdriver TOT or MTOT. HAL has been getting all ToT since MiG 21, Jaguar and Sukhoi days and still can't make an effing BTT or IJT trainer properly. But Shukla was arguing as if India was going to grab entire Rafale R&D with IP in the MMRCA deal !! Actually, by the end I was surprised he didn't argue that we could have made France an Indian colony through MMRCA deal. He forgot that Dassault's Falcon jets are hugely profitable and even if the company was in loss, it would be bought over by Airbus, which controls 70% of Indian Airlines sector. So his arguments on French neck being under Indian shoes was hilarious.

But I must say, the funniest guy was the Congressi surf of the family. Someone should have asked him that AKA bought C-17, C-130, P-8I, Heaps of Harpoon missiles, and many many more stuff from America during his tenure. How much TOT did he get from Americans? Would Zero be an exaggeration?

It proves that you can be loud mouth but if you keep spewing nonsense, it doesn't help.

Abhay Jain said...

sir,

1) How do you rate KAI FA-50 viz-a-viz tejas mk1? How did south korea managed to develop such a fighter in such a short time, if we compare it to tejas mk1.

2) How significant the nuclear tech for what we signed MOU with areva that it will transfer the tech to L&T. I heard that it's the same tech that we couldn't get our hands on because japan was reluctant to sign a nuclear deal with india. How important this tech is for our indigenous reactors?

3) Do you see India's entry in NSG in foreseeable future?


regards
Abhay Jain

Pawan said...

To Rituraj:
I can't figure out why congress not able to understand that beside the obvious failures of UPA it were spokesmen like Kapil Sibal, Manish Tiwari, Sanjay Jha and now this new joker Dr. Ajoy Kumar who were responsible for bad PR and ultimately debacle of congress.

sbm said...

Prasun, may I add one more thing the Tejas Mk.1 will be able do ? It will be able to perform adequately in the BVR intercept role. Great aircraft: no. Mistakes made: yes. Viable combat aircraft to build on and develop further: absolutely.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

Thanks for link to video of debate on NYT article about Pak WMD, I would have missed it.

your comments on Iran are worth noting

Most importantly your assessment of Kashmiris was as good as it gets. My mother is from J&K so I have observed Kashmiris very closely & truth is they simply can't fight. They can argue for hours but fighting is just not their DNA. only people who can fight are Rajputs clans( Both muslims & Hindus) or Dogra punjab mix people of Jammu region. This is why Pakistan had to export Pakistani punjabi jihadis to wage terrorism against India in Valley.

sbm said...

Prasun,some clarity sought: do the P-15A/B have 32 Barak-2 LRSAM or 64 (32 ready and 32 reloads) ?

Unknown said...

Hi Prasun,
Thanks for the reply.You cleared my clutterd mind :-).
I don't understand why the Pakistani Govt. Establishment+the general public blindly belives that the Chinese will help them in getting the rest of Kashmir from India.When even after so many years China couldn't help them in their endeavour ;even after being a member of the P-5.
And also what do you think will happen in the future if only if the 1949 UN Resolution comes into play will the Chinese have to vacate the CoK?
Am I missing some line or this could be the reason why Chinese aren't interested in solving the Kashmir issue?
Pardon me for my ignorance.
Thanks in Advance.

Pawan said...

Please have look at map shown at 00:17 minute on CCTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEjD3HRSig

Unknown said...

Some interesting articles on Pakistan....
1) www.gsdrc.org/go/display&type=Document&id=3681&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gsdrc&utm_source=newsfeed
2) theconversation.com/pakistans-failing-state-is-too-weak-to-tackle-the-taliban-27896
3) www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Articles/Detail/?lang=en&id=165903
4) foreignpolicy.com/2012/06/18/whats-wrong-with-pakistan/

FROM LAHORE said...

Yes Prasun, eventually you are correct. We PUNJABIS are the best fighting force in the world.

All the more reason why you people should be afraid of us, because we can travel to Tamil land, West Bengal, Bihar and around India defeating all these local communities.

However, some Hindoos who are intelligent have read the writing on the wall and are now following the right path shown by Allah Salah

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/More-than-800-Valmikis-convert-to-Islam-in-UPs-Rampur-to-save-homes-from-demolition/articleshow/46926417.cms

Unknown said...

@FROM LAHORE
" Yes Prasun, eventually you are correct. We PUNJABIS
are the best fighting force in the world.
All the more reason why you people should be afraid
of us, because we can travel to Tamil land, West
Bengal, Bihar and around India defeating all these local
communities."
Those lines clearly show how naive & foolish you are in your thought process.And don't try to show your false bravado which will probably won't last a minute,when you enter in contest ring.We all have seen your bravado in all the wars you have fought with India & came 2nd best to say the least.The moment u guys will touch the tribals belt of INDIA (seriously doubt it that u guys can even breach past Haryana/Punjab/Rajasthan/J,K&L lol...) you guys will be easy-peay meal for them & then all ur bravado will fly away in the air like a fart.

" There was high drama for most of the day as the Valmiki
families went ahead with their self-announced
conversion amid heavy police deployment in the area.
Though a cleric from Amroha, who was set to assist in
their conversion, didn't turn up, the Valmikis sported
skull caps and declared that they were henceforth to be
considered Muslim."
Had you even gone through the article what it states or your just blabbering along just to please your mind.They are just wearing the skullcaps & nothing else has happened & top it all its an self-announced conversion nothing official about it.Next you will hear after sometime that all those "VALMIKIS" will leave Islam & convert back to their previous belief based on SAGE "VALMIKI JI".

Unknown said...

@FROM LAHORE
Some bitter truth about you guys (Pakistani Punjabis)...
tribune.com.pk/story/444417/is-the-pakistan-army-martial/
Looks like one of your Punjabi Pakistani Brethren showing his true nature;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8MO52QQ6_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnQ2gDG1gM

An excellent article for u to understand (if u want to) all those false assumption that Punjabis are (the only,and no other 1s esp. from India according to ur school of thinking) martial race from beginning/birth:and that others aren't as martial...
https://cataphract.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/major-amin-explodes-the-myth-of-martial-races/
Enjoy :-D ;-).....

raw13 said...

Hi,

Have a look at this boys:

Article written by Xi Jinping:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/19-Apr-2015/pak-china-dosti-zindabad

Article by an india, some interesting comments by indians:

http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/xi-jinping-on-pakistan-i-feel-as-if-i-am-going-to-visit-the-home-of-my-own-brother/


raw13 said...

@Prasun,

The small team action, was actually the specialty as you are aware of recon, BAT and SSG. During 00's FC got into it, during Gen Tariq's tenure, when FC was transformed.

PA was late getting into it, now it is fully into the transformation mode. It was lucky to get the head of training as COAS. It trains its Soldiers faster and more frequently.

Pawan said...

To Biswajit Pattanyak: Lolzzz As a Punjabi, even I am feeling good after reading the articles, you referred.

Siddharth said...

In the past six months, a war for political dominance between the two
sects of Muslims—Sunni and Zaidi Shia—has intensified in Yemen, the
Arab country in southwest Asia that has been imploding since
2011.Saudi Arabia has been trying to thwart the attempt by the
Iran-backed Zaidi Shia group to take control of the country.

In February, however, Yemeni president Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi fled the
capital Sana’a when the rebel Shia group—also known as Houthis—strengthened their presence in the city.

Due to the worsening condition of the country, the Indian govt on
March 31, decided to send Gen V.K. Singh, one of its senior ministers
and former Chief of The Indian Army, to oversee the mission and ensure
safe return of its citizens.The operation was called as ' Rahat' - which means relief in Hindi

Here are a few facts about Operation Rahat, that every Indian should
know about :

1) Saudi Arabia is attacking Yemen, but from the air. Their soldiers
are afraid of setting foot on land fearing for their lives.

2). Pakistani Army & Air force form the bulk of Saudi force in Yemen,
but Paksitani soldiers are afraid of landing in the cities due to the
fear of being killed by Shia Militia.

Siddharth said...

3) Pakistani Ambassador to Yemen Dr Irfan Yousuf Shami escaped with
all his staff, leaving behind hundreds of stranded Pakistani nationals.

4) What made the situation more complex was the fact that the airport
and airspace in Yemen, is under the control of Saudi Arabia.

5) PM Modi called up Saudi King Salman for his co-operation in
rescuing Indians from Yemen. Since the PM shares a good relationship
with the Saudi King, the King assured his complete support. PM Modi
requested the Saudi King to stop the air strike for some time and also
allow Indian planes to fly out of Yemen, so that Indians could be
evacuated from the strife torn country.

6) The Indian national carrier, Air India, carried 488 people through
three special flights from Sana’a to India on April 5. A day later,
Air India is reported to have evacuated 574 people from Sana’a to
Djibouti, described as the single largest evacuation by air in a day.
The Indian Airforce had dispatched its C-17s on April 2, and brought
back 358 Indians.

7) GOI decided to take sea route to rescue the expatriates stranded in
Aden, a port city, after the government’s plans to airlift them did
not materialize due to attack on Sana’a airport.

5) Two merchant vessels and two warships — destroyer Mumbai and
stealth frigate Tarkash — also left for Yemen, to help ferry other
stranded expatriates back home. The government had also pressed into
service INS Sumitra to ensure the safety and security of the
passengers from pirates.

5) India’s shipping corporation also sent two passenger
ships—Kavaratti and Corals— to assist the navy. In all, India sent
five ships to Yemen. Small boats were used to transport Indians from
Yemen’s port city Aden onto the naval vessels that could not enter the
ports due to heavy firing.

6) Eyewitnesses state that, in such a hostile atmosphere, unarmed Gen
V.K. Singh toured the cities & villages in Yemen, collecting Indians &
anybody else who asked him for help. He did not sit in a car or a
Helicopter. He actually got on the ground & walked on the roads, in
the streets & commanded the operation.

7) Because of the stunning rescue work done by India, 26 nations
reached out for help in evacuating their citizens. Countries like USA,
Germany, France were among those which sought help.

8) Most air crafts and ships landed in Mumbai and the southern Indian
city of Kochi. The evacuees were then transported to their hometowns
by Indian Railways. The railways offered free tickets for their onward
journeys. In addition, state governments have offered financial
support to many evacuees.

Its a matter of shame for the nation, that no leading newspaper or
media channel finds this historic mission worthy enough to cover front
pages or be on prime time that the evacuation deserved.

So far out of the 5600 evacuated, 4640 are Muslims and 412 are
Christians. Why do we keep questioning our secular orientation?

And finally, our famous Arnab Goswami got it all wrong and made a mountain out of no hill and in the process lost the main plot of tom toming India's good work acknowledged worldwide.

raw13 said...

@Pawan,

The kashmiri's of the valley are indeed not known for fighting. The rest of the muslim clans a mixture of gujjar, jat, paktun, tajik, rajput, Dars, etc..., are on the other hand known for fighting. You also have other hindu's who converted to islam, who are not really know for fighting.

But it all changes, under the right circumstances....look how khalsa came to be under the pressure of the Mughals. Same is happening to the Kashmiris. The pakistanis just showed them the way.

By the way the toughest punjabi's are from Saraki belt (southern and western punjab), they are not really punjabi and the next are the Potowari (again they are not really punjabi). Lahore is a mixture of punjabis, kashmiris and paktuns. The real punjabis are in the central eastern parts of pak punjab (this is also where Indian punjabis settled). Pak Punjab is not homogenous. By that I mean, Kashmiris, Balouch, Paktun, tajjik, hazara and their mixture make up around 40-50+% of the population.

raw13 said...

Hi Prasun,

I am afraid you are incorrect wrt iranian support for kashmir. One of the reasons for going neutral was that iran has supported kashmir cause far more than the gulf arabs.

Look at the first 3 articles from the master tea reader himself:

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/

--------quote----
In this context, Asif’s remarks underscoring that Russia and Pakistan are on the same page in the contemporary world situation and that Islamabad counts on the global strategic balance provided by Russia assume immense significance. He has said things which no Indian leader would dare articulate for fear of offending the US.
---------

another quote:

---------------quote-----
What is the conclusion to be drawn? India seems to be simply marking time whereas regional trade, investment, transit and connectivity impact on its long-term interests. It apparently prefers to wear the macho look and refuse to ask Pakistan for a favor. Cutting the nose to spite the face?

The Indian diplomacy toward Iran is even more disgraceful. The plain truth is that Tehran is not lacking in offers from foreign partners wanting to make investments in its oil industry. But then, for Iran, oil industry is a highly strategic sector of its economy and it is going to pick and choose its partners very carefully.

Now, why should Iran make a special gesture toward India? Delhi has kept the Iranian leadership at arm’s length. There has not been a single visit from India to Iran during the past 10 months of the Narendra Modi government. Prime MInister Modi himself never interacted with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani.

Modi and Rouhani were in New York last year the same time, but Modi had time only to have a pow-vow with Benjamin Netanyahu. Indeed, what is the signal that the Hindu nationalist government is giving? It is wearing Islamophobia on its shirt sleeves.

----------------

Jon said...

The kind of investments that China has planned for Pakistan is not going to change Pakistan's fortunes. Rather it reminds me of The East India Company! In the end Pakistan will end up becoming a colony of China. He He!

Unknown said...

@Pawan
I am happy that you are feeling good after reading those articles;& I think that is the difference between a cool headed Indian & a brainwashed Pakistani ;-)....
The point i am trying to drive home (to FROM LAHORE) is that no doubt Punjabis irrespective of their nationality whether Indian or Pakistani are great warriors.But to categorically dismiss all others is pure nonsense.I agree there are many parts in India were we don't boast of martial race but that could be due to many reasons,environtmental,political,religion etc.. but that doesn't mean that they can be looked upon or could easily be rolled over.There is saying (for FROM LAHORE)....that goes like this...
" You pity the enemy, it will kill you. Never pity an
enemy when pitched against an enemy". Which is exactly what u guys (@FROM LAHORE) are thinking.

Jon said...

Check this out Ha Ha Ha!

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/the-name-of-the-proposed-chinapakistan-think-tank-is-so-bad-that-we-cant-mention-it-here/541016-79.html

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun sir,
You have earlier written about kaveri engine testing in russia .Is there any possibility of tejas mk1 and mk2 are flying with indian jet engine . or just they are looking only for uav engine.

Mayur M Manapure said...

http://m.mensxp.com/special-features/today/25780-china-and-pakistan-launched-a-joint-think-tank-called-randi-and-india-just--cant-stop-loling.html
OK....just can't stop loling....kuch bhi Matlab kuch bhi....Hahaha...
Sabki akal ghaas charne jaati hai ka..

ramD said...

halfway down the page....see the chinese presidents page with F-16s. Haha so much for the bunder.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1177109/economic-corridor-in-focus-as-pakistan-china-sign-51-mous

Dushyant hardaha said...

sir why full majority modi govt is unwilling to take action in national herald case NDTV hawala scam?

Chethan said...

Hi Prasun,
These days in Pakistani media, they are all Ga-Ga over the the pakistan china economic corridor from gwadar to central asia. They think that this corridor some how will somehow transform gwadar into new dubai and pakistan's GDP will cross 1 Trillion. They think that pakistan is situated in the most strategic geographic location and all they have to do is build a road and all the riches will follow.
But they don't even know the basics of economics. The central asian states like kirgiztan, Tajakistan etc are sparsely populated with little industrial or economic activity. So how a corridor connecting pakistan to these countries are going to increase pakistan's economy is beyond anyone's understanding.

-Chethan

Unknown said...

The Pakistanis' are behaving as such that their all hopes rests on Xi Xinpings' $48 Billion dole.They are already claming that they will become the next economic,power,political,manufacturing,defence etc... hub of Asia.That this will alone revive their economy.Can't they see beyond their myopic eyes & mind.It is here where I remeber the famous quote from "Charles de Gaulle"- "No Nation has friends , only interests".

Anonymous said...

raw13, master tea reader? mk bhadrakumar is a loony leftist. seriously, there is something wrong with you pakistanis and your analytical skills. you only choose flawed data that supports your warped world view and no wonder your nation is the state it is in today, a pariah state. zero technology. zero capability. bunch of scrawny punjabis bragging about imaginary skills in war, when you couldnt even stop the arabs and converted en masse. it would be humorous but for the fact its pathetic.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RITURAJ: I hope I’ve succeeded in allying all fears of Mr.RA 9/RAJESH MISHRA WRT Tejas Mk2 MRCA (LoLz!). Regarding ToT, here are two interesting pieces that explain it all threadbare:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/fdi-in-defence/article7102328.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/business/ibm-project-in-china-raises-us-concerns.html?_r=0

As for the INC’s spokesperson, the lesser said the better. Only a MORON will conclude that a G-to-G deal without open competition enables the winner to charge exorbitant sums! He somehow can’t figure out the fact that even a streetside bania cannot be fly-by-night operator; rather he/she too always thinks about sustainable income. OEMs like Dassault, THALES & SAFRAN will by no means remain satisfied with only the Indian market & would instead like to win more orders. Hence, no one in their right minds will ever think about blackmailing any one customer or taking the customer for a ride. Secondly, all govts follow a practice of international financial benchmarking. Thus, when Singapore wanted such data, it approached & obtained Dassault’s price quotes from South Korea when the Rafale was pitted in the early 1990s against the F/A-18, F-16 Block 30 & EF-2000. Similarly, when it came to the IAF’s M-MRCA competition, India obtained similar assistance from Singapore when the latter shared the results of its competitive evaluations conducted in the previous decade. The devil always lies within the detail & unless one goes deep enough to do serious research on a topic, the end-result is always a debate without any serious or factual content, as was the case with THE BIG FIGHT.

What is funniest, however, is this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/04/16/where-was-rahul-gandhi_n_7076320.html

Maybe someone from the INC can explain why should the ‘Yuvraj’ seek spiritual salvation abroad when India has produced enough globetrotting spiritual gurus, like Deepak Chopra or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. So, did the Yuvraj really go to Myanmar to obtain wisdom, or did he go there just to be laid?

To ABHAY JAIN: 1) KAI’s T-50/AT-50 Golden Eagle project is a perfect example of how to leverage industrial offsets & come up with viable innovations. When the ROKAF opted for the Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 30 in the early 1990s, the offsets reqmt called for Lockheed Martin to co-develop with KAI a LIFT that could also be employed for close air-support. That’s why the project made swift progress. 2) The ToT from AREVA to L & T will enable the latter to fabricate sub-structures for the nuclear reactors in-country at lesser cost. 3) Of course.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: During UPA-2 in particular, most of the intellectuals within the INC were grossly misused for engaging in cover-ups of fatal decision-making errors that arose due to the PMO not being in sync with the chairperson of UPA. Had Dr MMS resigned in 2010 itself or threatened to resign, people would have been more forgiving.

Way back in 1996, I had seen with my own eyes how the NLI personnel of Kashmiri origin dreaded retaliatory counter-bombardment from the IA along the LoC. In fact, these NLI personnel used to verbally warn the IA’s personnel (in areas where they were eyeball-to-eyeball) about the impending visit of some Punjabi or Baluch senior officer, due to which Pakistani bombardment could be expected in the following days. They even told the IA of the expected timeframes when such artillery bombardments would begin & end. And the PA typically always commenced firing at nighttime, using mostly their TOW ATGMs to target the IA’s ‘langars’ (kitchens). When the then Indian PM I K Gujral had had enough of such skirmishes, he approved the IA’s Northern Command HQ’s plans for massive retaliation. As a result, an IAF MiG-25R deliberately broke the sonic barrier close to Islamabad & in 1997, a full-scale fire-assault was undertaken (under the direction of the then GOC-in-C Northern Command Gen ‘Paddy’ Padmanabhan) over a 48-hour period along the LoC during which, for the first time since 1971, the 160mm Soltam mortars were air-lifted from Uri by Mi-26Ts & were used with devastating effect. Here is a good example of what all was going on then & how the IA effectively shut down the Muzzafarabad-Kel highway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlBQFifk-5s

TO SBM: BVR interceptions will become a possibility for Tejas Mk1 only when the Astra Mk1 BVRAAM is fully flight-qualified & certified for usage. Because right now there are no plans for using the RVV-AE as an interim solution. P-15A/B DDGs each have 64 Barak-2 LRSAMs (32 ready and 32 reloads).

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BISWAJIT PATTANAIK: Chinese by nature are merchantile & just like the Jews, are very calculating when it comes to their core interests. Therefore, the Chinese will never share their wealth with anyone else. That’s why all the deals & MoUs inked between Beijing & Islamabad always involve low-interest rate loans or deferred payment terms, BUT no grant-in-aid, meaning the money on some day has to be paid back to China. Actually, the Karakoram Tract to which China gained access in 1963 was due to a border demarcation agreement between China & Pakistan that used the international principle of watershed to determine the territorial boundaries. In fact, Pakistan gained more territory than China from this agreement. Even if India someday gains repossession of PoK, India on principle will have to endorse this boundary agreement because India ‘s stand WRT demarcating the LAC with China also calls for using the watershed principle for demarcating & delineating the territorial boundary.

To FROM LAHORE: LoLz! While you keep insisting that the Indian natives should be afraid of the West Punjabis, look what’s happening in the real world: one of your brethren, Lt Gen (Ret’d) Khalid Kidwai, is so petrified about a non-existent IA doctrine that he labels as ‘Cold Start’, that he’s using this canard to justify the procurement of TNWs like Hatf-9/Nasr! Can you kindly contact him & advise him not to be so afraid of the native Indian ‘kafirs’ & ‘baniyas’, & that too when he is standing on some foreign soil?

Or is it the case that these alleged TNWs cannot be used against the IA anywhere inside either J & K or inside north-east Pakistan (since your ‘barader’ Muslim brethren will also be equally affected, & therefore the real folks targetted by these TNWs are actually the Shia Iranians, should they choose someday to invade Baluchistan or southwestern Afghanistan? I don’t know about you, but all the three-star & two-star PA Generals I’ve spoken to since 2000 have always hinted at this possibility as part of their contingency plans for containing & countering Iran.

To RAW13: Yes indeed, the relationship is higher than Mt Everest, deeper than the Pacific Ocean, whiter than milk, sweeter than honey etc etc. But the day will eventually come when the bilateral relationship will become colder than the winds of the Antarctic (LoLz)! I hope it doesn’t, but who can evade a strategic inevitability!

About India-Iran relations, what is often overlooked by armchair analysts is the tempo of bilateral cooperative activities on the ground. For instance, the NSAs of both countries travel to one another’s countries as emissaries at least thrice a year. Also, just look at the number of Iranian military personnel that have been training at various military vocational institutions of the IA, IN & IAF since the mid-1970s. As someone who has stayed in Iran from 1976 to 1979 & who still maintains active business contacts there, I can state with conviction that the speculations being engaged upon by the armchair analyst you’ve quoted are way off the mark. If only such discredited analysts could visit the Iranian Embassy in New Delhi & converse with the Embassy’s officials, will the facts emerge.

JON & MAYUR MANMAPURE: What on earth possessed these Chinese & Pakistani intellectuals to come up with such an atrocious name??? Or is it China’s way of reminding Pakistan who the elephant in the room is?

To AK-HMR: Plans exist for a Tejas Mk1 PV to be powered by the Kaveri AFTER the turbofan acquires its airworthiness certification.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHETHAN: It is a parasitic relationship. Look what had happened to Pakistan’s manufacturing sector after the two countries had inked & operationalised the FTA in 2006. Pakistan is hoping that China gets the maximum mining concessions in Afghanistan & as a consequence there will be a lot of minerals processing industries set up inside Pakistan. But the point again is: how will all these be transported back to China? Certainly not through the Karakoram Highway, which can at best stay open for only 5 months every year. And it will take more than 20 years to construct all-weather tunnels along the Khunjerab Pass.

lachit said...

@prasun

i was wondering about the warhead carried by the land version of brahmos.
indian army wishes to use it for bunker busting and destroying hardened underground targets.

does india have the capability to
design and put into production such warheads
especially the precursor warhead combined with a follow-through penetrator explosive charge type warheads for brahmos.

also considering the high KE of brahmos is it not prudent for india to develop super hardened penetrators made from used artillery gun barrels etc and also something similiar to the atk Hard Target Void Sensing Fuze (HTVSF)for warheads which are designed to explode when they reach an open space in a deeply buried bunker.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: Looks like CCTV has already accepted that PoK is Indian territory (LoLz)!

Heres an interesting analysis of China-Pakistan relations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOu3LWLpKbg&hd=1

& another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMp-eACb-6g&hd=1

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To LACHIT: Those types of warheads are all imported from Russia, since India lacks the in-house facilities for developing & testing them.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

According to my intel, Myanmar last week inked a contract with China's CATIC to import 12 FC-1 Xiaolong (Fierce Eagle) light-MRCAs to replace its existing Nanchang A-5IIICs. Deliveries will be made by Chengdu Aircraft Corp. This deal has nothing to do with either the JF-17 Thunder nor PAC Kamra.

lachit said...

@prasun
India-Pakistan covert war:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1154894/war-in-the-shadows

After Iran, Pakistan’s Turn To Be De-Nuclearised:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1175368/after-iran-pakistan

Munir Akram former pakistani ambassador to un,and the writer of the above 2 articles is a wife beater
he sure is multi talented.loolzzz

http://chagataikhan.blogspot.in/2012/06/munir-akram-marijana-mihic-shame-in.html

"WAY BACK IN 2003: The United States has given Pakistan until Friday to decide whether it will waive the diplomatic immunity of its U.N. ambassador, Munir Akram, so that he can be prosecuted on domestic violence charges."

SOUBHAGYA said...

Dear Prasun,

The link you provided (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlBQFifk-5s) is scripted in Pakistan. It is against India and it just represents anti-India sentiment. I don't understand why the Australian didn't come to Indian administered Kashmir to know the bitter truth.

joydeep ghosh said...

@Prasun da

1. you say the VLRSAM with 200-250 km range is PDV, but isnt the PDV range is 150 km

2. P15B destroyers 8500 t full load, looks like destroyers are slowly inching towards cruiser weight category, similarly the frigates like P17 are nearing the Delhi class destroyer weight. if modern warships are more capable they why are they gaining weight

3. 5th gen aircrafts are more capable that 4/4+ gen aircrafts, similarly 6th gen aircrafts if developed are being said will be more capable than 5th gen aircrafts, but if so then why number of aircrafts dont come down, instead they keep increasing

4. You say you have active business contacts in Tehran, presumably defense related, dont mind asking how come the US left you untouched in embargo era over iran

5. as situation stands i feel the new Russian Armata tank could well become the FMBT or the basis for FMBT for IA

6. Reports say LCA mk2 a. wont have prototypes b. there will be no change in air intakes, c. will use the F414-GE-INS6 engine as currently available meaning no boosting power, d. will be armed with the under development Uttam AESA radar, where as you have consistently said the opposite about first 3 points

awaiting response

thanks

Joydeep Ghosh

Raman said...

Hi Prasun,

A few questions (again !!) and a few comments:

(1) While i understand there is no need to replace the Avro's with the C-295's.....but, given the status of the slow upgrades of the aging An32's and that the MTA is moving at glacial speed.....what alternatives do we have ??....more C130's ?? ....we will have 2 half Squadrons of 6 a/c each.....will they be increased to 12 each ?

(2) Read a note in the latest Vayu (pg 16) that we have ordered a single Mirage 2000 2 seater from the FAF....is this a fact ?...also, will it be upgraded too ?

(3) By when do you expect the 36 Rafale deal to be finally signed and by when will there some clarity on what next with the Rafale ?? Also, by when will the weapon's package be signed (some commonality with the Mirage 2000 upgrade weapons package with the MICA/PGM's ?)...

(4) Lastly......why do we even bother to reply to some of the comments of Raw13/From Lahore...really. Sure, if there is a sensible/good observation-comment..sure....respond......but why fan the rants.......

raw13 said...

Hi Prasun,

The indian gentleman I quoted is real, it was his profession & is a highly regarded thinker. I have found him to be good and generally ahead of the curve, just as you are with your knowledge of systems, etc...(and sometimes entertainment ;-))

WRT to CSD, this has been the god send to Pak forces. It has forced us to re-train, re-arm, re-focus & re-energise. One example, we cut the tail by removing all Batmen. Just has the US navy used the threat of Royal navy during the 1905 to re-arm, so are pak forces doing the same. Yes we are afraid, but we are using that in a positive way.

I have said it before, if it wasnt for the Kashmir issue, we may not have been the best of friends but we would have had great trade links to the benefit of both our nations. We would have been setting the agenda from ME, CA to SA & SEA.

The reason China and Pak work, is because chinese understand how our minds work (we make great friends but hate with a passion). They never come close to preaching to us about our core interests because they know we will never give them up, EVER(eg Kashmir).

The good thing is that in Xi, you have an old fashioned type of chinese, a proud man, who understands deeply the nature of Pak-China relationship. Look what his wife was wearing and the colour, it was not lost on the pakistanis watching on TV. It was a sincere gesture. More importantly he understands he needs friends like USA has in europe, aka UK to be an effective power.

Mineral rights in Afghanistan and pak, are indeed up for grabs and we will make sure that no indian company gets it. That is given and Ghani being an Ahmadzai understands it too. You may have missed who presided over the latest PMA graduation.


http://www.voanews.com/content/afghanistan-military-chief-in-pakistan-urges-increased-cooperation/2724853.html

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

(1) Do you think that the sale of 12 FC-1 Xiaolong to Myanmar will go through given the fact that Myanmar bombed rebels last month inside Chinese territory?

(2) Is Russia selling the S-400 and Su 35 to China to force India to invest more money in the PAK-FA/FGFA program?

(3) Russia is also investing big time in Pakistan

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/russia-to-invest-2-billion-to-build-pipeline-in-pakistan/articleshow/46968462.cms

Also, Russian officials have said that the first batch of the Mi-35E will arrive in Pakistan next year.

Actually it is good if Pakistan purchases weapons from Russia. They too will face problems with spare parts & their fighters too will start falling from the skies. Russian after sales support is terrible.

Many thanks

Vikram

raw13 said...

@Prasun, @rad, @Vikram,

read this:

http://atimes.com/2015/04/pakistan-china-iran-and-the-remaking-of-regional-security/

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS sir,

you was truly right. Iran ban on all items from Pakistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-313783-Tehran-virtually-suspends-preferential-trade-agreement

Aravind K. said...

Hello Mr Sengupta

I am currently stationed in Mauritius and I will concur that everything you have said about how the Chinese operate is 100% true.

Here's the most simple case study I have for you:

The Chinese are currently building a highway and a dam here. Both projects are extremely high profile due to the budget & nature of the terrain involved. The Chinese company's name is Sino-Hydro.

Four years ago, the Mauritian Government had announced with great fanfare that the chinese investors would bring jobs etc and galvanize the economy.

Fours years on, the chinese contribution to the local economy has been ZERO. Let me elaborate: I use the mentioned highway everyday to commute to work everyday..and the chinese are still here, working..why?? Well simply because a portion of the highway has collapsed and they are now repairing it. The repair works will go on for another 18 months! Hell, even the dam has gone grossly over-budget because the soil at the site is very porous, hence useless for dam construction. The Chinese knew about this. So what did Sino-Hydro do then? They brought in another company (chinese of course!) to blast rocks from a neighbouring mountain to fill the site!

Another Chinese company completed a new terminal at the airport just last year...& what's the problem here you ask? The budget allocated went through the roof.

Everybody involved be it an engineer or a chaprasi is imported directly from PRC. Even the guys who sweep the streets after the heavy duty trucks pass are chinese & not locals.

So are the Mauritians stupid? Nope, that's just how the Chinese operate. They look after their interests ruthlessly. I was previously posted in Mozambique and the situation with Chinese Co.s there is identical! Look at what they are doing in Angola, Uganda & Nigeria, and everything will fall into place.

As a result the newly elected government here no longer wants to deal with the chinese. The newspapers here say that Modi smelled blood and promptly visited Mauritius a month back & as a result ALL the next big ticket projects in Mauritius have gone to Indian companies namely the new cybercity, the second capital city, the construction of a harbour and an airstrip on Agalega island etc. Mind you, this has major implications since all these projects had been earmarked for China when Hu Jintao had visited Mauritius.

What PAINS me is that the Indian media is clueless about this. Now, it could be because the media here is overwhelmingly in French but i suspect that is only half the story. :)

To conclude i would advise my Pakistani friends not to count their chickens before they've hatched. Just look at Mauritius. Haven't you been burned by the chinese before that your're getting so excited? Each one of those $46 billions will flow back to China!

P.S.: The previous Chinese loving PM of Mauritius is now under arrest and awaiting trial for corruption and money laundering. Here's what investigators found at his residence :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlIJY-DQNk&ab_channel=TOPTVMauritius

Worse, his girldriend left the country on the night the electoral results were anounced. She left Mauritius with 12 suitcases filled with money. Interpol arrested her in Italy last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJZlGSRhPMs

So finally, where did all that money come from? just connect the dots :)

lachit said...

@raw13

if u could not understand the context of this statement
"whats all this nonsense about martial race etc" which was in reply to ur statement below


"The kashmiri's of the valley are indeed not known for fighting. The rest of the muslim clans a mixture of gujjar, jat, paktun, tajik, rajput, Dars, etc..., are on the other hand known for fighting..............
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By the way the toughest punjabi's are from Saraki belt.............
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By that I mean, Kashmiris, Balouch, Paktun, tajjik, hazara and their mixture make up around 40-50+% of the population."


it says quite a lot about ur own IQ and superb comprehension skills.
and ur name calling is surely a sign of ur excellent paki education.lolzzzz

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Hello Prasunda


http://www.niticentral.com/2015/04/21/build-twin-engine-lca-rafale-short-term-solution-310483.html

Can throw ur idea arround twin engine (F404) LCA

Regards
Aditya

ramD said...

stop asking questions on LCA, it is dead. MK2 delayed further, the whole project is dead, everyone feels it. The whole design is too 70's, too much drag, too small and too complex. we needed something like bander, simpler, cheaper, easier to maintain and upgrade.

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

@ ramD



LCA MK1 is better off to that of Bandar even at present status ...


Unknown said...

@ramD
You need to cool down man.There is not single fighter jet that can be designed,manufactured & put it into service within in decade.The design is not vintage period.Then according to u even EFT,Rafale,Gripen or F-16 should also be vintage.

@Technology, Photograpy and Travel
Hey,want to say something about that article.First ADA/DRDO designed the Tejas not HAL as the author says.HAL is the production agency of it.Plus making a twin engine TEJAS is not feasible or desired ,bcoz it will require a hell lot of time for no real gain.

Anonymous said...

Prasun Da,

1. How do Indian companies win export orders? For example Pipavav won a contract to supply OPV to Nigeria. Was this done through Govt to Govt deal or did Pipavav lobby with the Nigerian Govt?

2. What aircraft will the Indian Navy opt for in the near future? There were reports that an RFI has been send to Dassault for the naval variant of the Rafale and that Saab has offered the Sea Gripen.

I suspect in the short run the IN has no other choice but to import more Mig 29Ks. However, the Ruskies themselves are inducting the naval variant of the Su 30.

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS sir,

WOW!! Check this news sir

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-04/19/c_134163562.htm

First I thought it is a mistake, then I checked many Chinese state run news sites, all pointing the same that GB is Indian territory.

Can you please describe how this change come in Chinese foreign policy? Modi effect?

Sir, one more question why the hell Pakistan is silent about this.

Unknown said...

What the S$%t this guy was smoking when he wrote this article....
www.ndtv.com/opinion/indias-obsessive-spending-on-defence-756591

India to hand over three Cheetal copters to Kabul...
www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-to-hand-over-three-cheetal-copters-to-kabul/article7123446.ece/

SK said...

Prasun,

What do you think about this article?

http://www.niticentral.com/2015/04/21/build-twin-engine-lca-rafale-short-term-solution-310483.html

What will be the cost of operation of a dual engine LCA? What kind of fuel and maintenance cost we are looking at? Will it be easy to design in next 4-5 years?

What do you think is gonna happen to Light fighter requirement?

sbm said...

Prasun, what about Derby as an interim solution ? Compatibility with 2032 radar should be no problem.

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Hello Prasunda

SABRE .. are we working on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEnAB1J4KE

Anonymous said...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDKTiPQWIAATbFB.jpg

raw13, this is for you.

raw13 said...

A very good picture:

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/21/china-b744-escorted-by-jf-17/

@Prasun, we have been hearing for a while about JF17/FC1 sales. Do you think they are about to start, like the K-8?

The way the chinese companies have worked so far in Pak, is that they do indeed bring a lot of chinese experts, but they imbed pakistan's at mid to high level and sub-contract out to small pak companies a lot of the actual work. They drive these small companies quite hard, literally round the clock work. A lot of these chinese speak urdu. They are generally really welcomed and liked.

Ulser said...

Sir, vmt for your reply


1) When will the AW-101s return to service then? Clearly the current sincerer is unviable for the long term
2) When will the follow-on Rafales be ordered above 36 units??
3) "Therefore, if President Ashraf Ghani requests India’s assistance in this matter, then I foresee India agreeing to station about four Mi-25 helicopter-gunships in the Mazar-e-Sharif area & up to six MiG-29UPGs at the air base in Ayni inside Tajikistan for guaranteeing tactical air superiority."

This surely isn't going to happen for at least 10-15 years right? The current political class in India are not ready to take such bold and forward thinking steps, they still see India as a weak inward looking nation with a weak military and afraid to use that.

Jon said...

Interesting Documentary:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/american-terrorist/

vishakh said...

Hi

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/iaf-may-restructure-jet-pilot-training/articleshow/47009299.cms

Is IJT dead and more Hack132 will be produced ???

Avi said...

Hi Prasun,

There was this report about the DRDO parts supplied for Barak 8 being substandard. Would you know anything about it?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/delays-hit-indo-israel-anti-missile-systems-army-air-force-vulnerable/articleshow/47007182.cms

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

Pakistanis are not as dumbo as I think. They have already started seeing that China investment plans are farse and all that Pakistan would get is opportunity to receive kickbacks, some taxes or set up tea and samosa shops outside Chinese project sites.

Rgds

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: Between 2001 & 2010, out of the US$20 billion that was pledged for investment by China into Pakistan, only 1/6th of that target was realised. Similarly, out of the figure of US$46 billion, only US$28 billion worth contracts were inked 48 hours ago. Now of this how much will actually be operationalised remains to be seen. As it is the various hydroelectric & thermal power generation plant projects are suffering from severe cost-overruns, which in turn will affect the tariff rates. Furthermore, in return for constructing highways & railways, toll will be charged for the next 50 years. In reality therefore, this corridor will only be helpful for China since Chinese manufactured goods will be able to reach the Middle East & Africa through the Gwadar Port. Pakistan as such won’t benefit at all. All this is best explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsfE9vkmg3Q&hd=1

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistani-politicians-decry-unfair-change-china-corridor-112233089.html

To AVI: DRDO does not make such parts. DRDO only designs & develops them & passes on their production know-hows to the DPSUs & private-sector companies.

VISHAKH: I sure hope so! Universally, from BTTs, trainee pilots go to AJTs & then to LIFT & finally to operational conversion trainers. There’s no scope for IJTs at all. IJTs are reqd only when BTTs are unavailable & primary piston-engined trainers are used for ab-initio flying training. Therefore, if the IAF goes for the HJT-36 IJT despite possessing PC-7 Mk2 BTTs & Hawk Mk132 AJTs, then this will only turn the IAF into the world’s laughing stock.

To JON: What is not explained there & still remains under wraps is why exactly did the Mumbai Police fail to maintain vigil over the 3 suspected landing sites in Mumbai. Had vigil been maintained even for 60 days after receiving actionable intelligence from the US, the 26/11 attacks could well have been averted. This is what the R D Pradhan Committee had concluded & that’s why the Committee’s report continues to be kept under wraps.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ULSER: 1) It can be anytime. That’s precisely those AWS-101s already delivered have been mothballed so that they are preserved in pristine condition & are protected from corrosion. 2) Only time will tell. 3) It wouldn’t have happened under the UPA regime. This govt-in-power is capable of taking tough decisions.

To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVE: Nope, we are not.

To SBM: And where exactly will the Derbys come from? The Derby/Python-5 combination is for the LCA (Navy) Mk1 only because the IN already has stocks of Derby & Python-5 following the Sea Harrier LUSH programme. IAF possesses neither Derby nor Python-5. That’s why the IAF had chosen the R-73E very early on for the Tejas Mk1 & if Astra Mk1 fails to arrive on time, then the R-77/TVV-AE will be made use of.

To SK: It is indeed most disgusting to see such opinions being voiced by ill-informed folks who happen to be MPs. It only reveals exactly how ignorant & shallow they are when it comes to matters of national security. All he had to do was do some homework by finding out when exactly BAE Systems EAP & Dassault F404-powered Rafale technology demonstrators first flew & how many years later did the first EF-2000 & Rafale prototypes make their maiden flights. The time differentials would then have revealed exactly how utopian the concerned MP’s make-believe world was.

To BISWAJIT PATTANAIK: All his arguments ought to have been targetted at Pakistan’s where 57% of the annual budgetary spending is earmarked for defence. He chose the wrong country as his target.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: 1) Pipavav never won any contract from Nigeria. That contract went to China’s CSTC & deliveries have already commenced. 2) The naval version of the Rafale is the best & safest bet for IAC-2.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARAVIND K: Very well explained indeed. This is exactly what had happened in all the independent enclaves inside South Africa, like Swaziland, Bophutswana, Botswana, etc when the Chinese located their textile plants & garment production sweatshops in the 1990s to take advantage of the US duty-free import quotas. The day those quotas were done away with, all those plants & shops owned by the Chinese closed shop overnight. They did not even bother to dismantle their plants & shops. The Chinese plant managers & owners just left those enclaves, abandoning everything behind.

To VIKRAM GUHA: 1) The contract has already been signed for the FC-1s. 2) Not at all. S-400 is totally ineffective against deep interdictors that use terrain masking & terrain-hugging flight profiles. 3) Huge difference between making an investment pledge & actually operationalising it. 4) Mi-35Es may well arrive in Pakistan next year, but only for in-country demonstrations.

To RAMAN: 1) That is a realistic option. 2) Yes, that’s absolutely correct. 3) By late May 2015 the contract for 36 Rafales & their weapons packages should be inked. 4) Because I love taxing his mind, which may not have been taxed before & hence his often outrageous conclusions.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: 1) Nope. The targetted range of the PDV will be 200km in its final configuration. 2) Because Indian warship designs don’t make optimum use of composites-based structures. 3) Of course they come down. Just see how many F-35s are being procured to replace the F-16s & F/A-18s worldwide. 4) Never said I had defence-related business contacts with Teheran. You are assuming that. 5) ARMATA is just an up-powered T-90AM/MS. IA’s/CVRDE’s FMBT does not even use Russian performance benchmarks. India-developed & built MBTs, FMBTs & FICVs all/will all be based on NATO mil-standards. 6) Originators of all those reports are thriving in cuckooland.

To SOUBHAGYA: I never came across an anti-Indian sentiment in that documentary.

rad said...

to aravingd K

great news man, what i had suspected earlier has been confirmed by you that chinese are bribing the executives of small countries like Lanka Maldives,Seychelles etc . Thats why the love for china started and they have been offered navy bases .The shocking part is navin ramgoolan being an indian ,back stabbed india, bugger should be castrated!.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,

Why doesn't the IAF go for the Python 5 missile for it's future aircraft and instead opting for the 80's generation IR guided r-73e for it's WVR combat. The whole world is now going for EO/IIR guided WVR missiles.
Python 5 missile hasEO /IIR sensor which is immune to IR flares deployed by aircraft plus is aerodynamically very agile compared to the the r-73e. I think it's one of the best WVR missile in the world along with the Aim-9X block2.
Will the IAF in future opt for the Python 5 missile?
Thanks.

Aravind K. said...

@ rad

Actually it is not shocking at all! More than half of the population here is of Indian origin, that is why Mauritius' foreign policy has traditionally been skewed in favour of India.

That was until the UPA government came to power. The UPA was mired in scams & inertia to such an extent that they literally forgot that they had an MEA. The locals here never fail to remind you how the Chinese have made rapid inroads into Mauritius during this elapsed decade. You can't really blame the Chinese for filling the void left by India. This is exactly how China has been so successful in surrounding India.

Modi is trying to repair the damage now. That is why he is making so many visits to the Indian Ocean island nations. Successful in Mauritius & Seychelles, not so much in Maldives. Naturally folks here appreciate Modi's gestures. Here take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxOG4vqJfJE&ab_channel=l%27express

Btw the last big projects completed by India in Mauritius are the Ebene CyberCity & the Swami Vivekananda Int Convention Center. Both were initiated by Atal B. Vajpayee and were completed without any controversy. Compare this to the Chinese..clearly they just want to make a quick buck.

P.S: In 2009 the Chinese had told the government they intented to use Mauritius "as a gateway to Africa" provided, that Mauritius financed the business park (to be built by the Chinese) for the Chinese companies near Port Louis. The government kicked out all the farmers and gave the land to them. The Jin-Fei/Tian-Li Business Park was completed in 2011 and till now not a single Chinese company has set foot there! As a result today, a brand new, multi million BP lies abandoned just outside the capital city of Mauritius! I have been watching their moves in the African continent for a while now, & that is why I mean every syllable when I tell you they are ruthless opportunists!

P.P.S.: Navinchandra Ramgoolam is the J. Nehru of Mauritius i.e. a white man in brown skin having an Indian sounding name. Like Nehru he is also an expert in cavorting with the ladies..owns a Rolls Royce & an Aston Martin and spends most of his personal time overseas. The good news, is that politically he is a dead man now. He even lost his constituency in the elections and is now truly an "aam aadmi" facing a judicial shit-storm.

Here he is "speaking" Hindi, enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90LKnlfjitg

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

If you had to advice the Raksha Mantri on the upcoming DPP what would your advice be especially on topics related to:

1.Verifiable Mile Stones for stage wise payments

2.The funding provisions/policy/arrangements of some of the other Govt departments like DST and DAE

3.A fair and transparent methodology for selection of the industry entity under the ‘Make’ category


4.Harnessing of ‘Cost Plus’ system


5.Institutional arrangements to ensure success of Make in India

Thanks,

Vikram

Rajesh Mishra said...

Aaapne (You) saaree baaten bilkul theek kaheen hain. Dhanyawad. This means no sane man in India is going to chase the Gripen at a speed of 3 Mach. BTW some journalists are like headless Ostriches who still ritually try to insert their heads in the sands.

SOUBHAGYA said...

Dear Prasun,

Regarding my last query (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlBQFifk-5s). You told you didn't find any anti-Indian sentiment. But it clearly shows the Pakistani army personnel saying against India and accusing it of using common mam as shield. So that's why I got a bad taste of it.

Pinkal Shah said...

Dear Prasun,

Whats your take on this article

http://idrw.org/rafale-deal-truths-beyond-rhetoric/

http://idrw.org/heres-why-the-indian-armys-new-war-doctrine-cold-start-is-giving-jitters-to-the-world/

Egaerly awaiting your reply

Anonymous said...

Chinese cheating saga continues across the globe. I met an Argentinian guy. He said that his family traditionally farmers changed the farming to soybean after China "forced" the government to farm soybean so that China will buy majority of soy products. Initially the farmers were reluctant and those who did in late 90s and early 2000s, got good profit. Then the collapse started. The Chinese companies wanted more soy, Argentinian govt encouraged farmers to destroy forests to farm lands. Since then, China reversed its policy. It started soy farming in China itself. Many farmers dejected and they lost the money. This guy's father committed suicide, after losing hectares of soy, and he took bank loans. Devastated this guy left Argentina. He said, for then the loss of money, the environmental damage is huge. The forests turned into deserts now. And who bought the woods from the forests? Can you guess? Yes, it was Chinese companies. Very sad tale.

There are many similar issues in South American countries with Chinese investment. Not even a single country became prosper or made significant change in the lifestyle of 3rd world country because of Chinese investments. There is some serious issue with these Chinese investments. The modern way of colonization.

http://www.dw.de/examining-chinas-environmental-and-social-impact-in-latin-america/a-18385274

I am sure, Pakistan won't be any different. I wonder what makes the Chinese to invest in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, a highly fragile earthquake region? Is there any minerals deposit that Pakistanis are too dumb to understand? It seems, Pakistan TTP has better R&D than Pakistan. The TTP guys recently tested certain "rockets" it seems.

Ravi N

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAVI N: LoLz! So you finally hit the bull's eye by concluding that the Chinese hailing from the PRC are primarily driven by self-serving mercantile interests. There are many discerning Pakistanis who understand this & are indeed concerned.

My personal assessment--based on what Pakistani officials have stated thus far--is that this CPEC corridor will primarily serve China's interests by facilitating China's access to the Middle East & Africa so that China-made finished goods can be exported quickly, & China in turn will be able to gain access in greater quantities of raw materials from Africa.

Pakistan will not enjoy any substantial gains because Pakistan simply does not have the kind of qualified/skilled manpower or knowledge-based human resources that are required for making special economic zones (SEZ) financially viable & productive.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PINKAL SHAH: It is only such writers of such poor opinions/reports that are engaged in producing such rhetoric. As for 'Cold Start', there is only one country in the world that is petrified by such a non-existent doctrine & that is Pakistan.

To SOUBHAGYA: What else did you expect the Pakistanis to say? They will obviously make such statements after their livelihoods have been wrecked. Which is precisely what India had hoped to achieve in order to apply pressure on Pakistan. Therefore, morality & pity don't count in a state of undeclared war. Matters then have to be conducted in a cold-hearted & sometimes ruthless manner.

To VIKRAM GUHA: Simple answer to ALL the points: just follow the internationally acceptable best practices. For instance, when the JAPAN PLUS grouping was established by NaMo last year for promoting Japanese FDI, NaMo proposed that apart from nominated qualified persons from both countries constituting half of the members of the advisory board, Japan was given the privilege of nominating on its own the other half members, based on Jaspanese acceptance & endorsement of their integrity, honesty & qualifications.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: These 'desi' journalists are usually sitting on their brains 99% of the time. The one & only time they use their brains is when they are jostling with one another for travelling overseas for taking joyrides on foreign combat aircraft. And what do they write or report about once they're back? About how good the scenery outside, around & below the aircraft was! Not one of these nitwits is a qualified pilot & therefore they all are incapable of doing an accurate assessment of the aircraft's handling.flying & mission management qualities. This is in sharp contrast to journalists working for specialised aerospace industry publications & who are responsible for writing flight-test reports due to the fact that such journalists themselves have in the past been test pilots or experienced pilots with thousands of hours of flying experience.

rad said...

Hi Prasun
I dont understand why the LCA is still flying with the aa-11 archer , it is a generation behind the pyhon-5 ,asraam etc. It doesnt make sense at all.Have they integrated the aa-11 to the HMS?. I dont think the rusians would allow us details to integrate it with the radar. Is in the pipe line ?.
The Iranians have acquired cruise missile tech , was it indigenous or made in china?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: Rest assured that the R-73E is still a very potent WVRAAM & has been upgraded & refined over the years. There is no need at all to doubt its combat performance. R-73E was integrated with Targo HMDS way back in the previous decade itself. Iranian LACMs, Pakistani LACMs & Chinese LACMs are all sourced from the Ukrainian Korshun LACM.

rad said...

HI Prasun
Some of us are finding it difficult to post due to the difficult scene matching verification code that seems to be in force in this blog recently, can you do something about it?.
It seems that fewer people are able to post due to this.I could not post yesterday due to this.I guess my analytical capacity has gone down reading posts from raw 13 and at lahore !!!!!

The r-73 does not have a dual color IIR seeker like the python .How can you say it is equal.I believe the r-74 has it. Can you give us pics and dope about the r-74?. If Russia had already developed ramjet AAM then why are they not out.I believe they are good in ramjet tech.May be this collaboration with drdo is for that or the ASM supersonic missile in development.


rad said...

hi prasun
Even if the Iranians got free samples of the korshum missile i really wonder if they have the tech to copy the engines and terminal seekers, this is why i strongly suspect Chinese collaboration.There seems to be a spate of Iranians arms being manufactured there like some missiles etc .
Is there any word about next gen of air to air missiles from Israel as it seems a long way off since the python and derby were introduced.Is it true that that the derby missiles have better eccm tech than the amraam?.How did they integrate the derby on the f-16 as the US is famous for not letting others to integrate into their platforms?. I believe that is the reason that the elm-2052 aesa radar cannot be fitted on to the f-16.
Lastly why is Myanmar still letting these naga , manipur scoundrels from the NE to stay there and re group when our relations are better? some sort trump card?.

rad said...

HI prasun
The desi bofors 45 cal gun seems to have passed trials.Is it really desi or they have imported some components?.
They seem sure to design the 52 cal gun as well . If it was so easy than what stopped them so long?.
100 guns a year seems to be their capacity which is too little too late.
What would be the other options.
Is it not better to give the designs to another pvt company and run a parallel manufacturing line to ease the shortage like in the US.
what happened to the selection of 52 cal imorted system?

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