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Tuesday, October 13, 2015

The IAF’s Perception Management Disconnect & Its Plans For TMD Network

The customary press conference given by the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) of the Indian Air Force (IAF) every year prior to Air Force Day (which falls on October 8) by and large targets contemporary issues on the balance-of-airpower in the subcontinent and the more glamorous and glitzy issues regarding the IAF’s on-going force modernisation efforts and future plans. However, issues regarded as ‘esoteric’ by the mainstream media in India are very rarely raised and explored. This was exactly the case on October 3, when not a single question was asked, for instance, about the IAF’s thinking and desired forcer posture regarding theatre missile defence (TMD), or about the fate of the An-32RE tactical transport aircraft upgrade, or about the IAF’s roadmap for the large-scale induction of various types of simulation systems and part-task trainers for both frontline combat/transport aircraft and helicopters, as well as those related to standoff precision-guided munitions (PGM). Nor did the CAS, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, bother to throw any light on such issues through his prepared narrative that was read out by him prior to the question-and-answer session.  
Therefore, this is a honest effort by your’s truly to throw some light into the issues concerning the IAF’s desired TMD force posture, and future prospects for inducting into service an IAF-specific version of the LCA (Navy) Mk1 MRCA, along with the Rafale M-MRCA. But first, a few words about how the IAF failed on October 8 to undertake a successful perception management exercise. While the IAF has rightly touted its Su-30MKI heavy-MRCAs as being air-dominance platforms, this fact-of-life was totally missing in the IAF’s giant billboard that was displayed on the parade ground at Hindon on October 8. What was shown through an illustration was a Su-30MKI armed only with R-27R and R-77 BVRAAMs—no R-73Es, no Litening-2 LDP, and no PGMs.
This is inexplicable, given the fact that in successive Aero India and DEFEXPO expos since the previous decade, both HAL and BrahMos Aerospace have repeatedly displayed scale-models of the Su-30MKI armed with both AAMs and PGMs! So what prevents the IAF from showcasing similar exhibits? Your guess is as good as mine.

TMD Developments
Though the IAF had decided to acquire TMD assets way back in 1996, it was the MoD-owned DRDO that first got into the act of proposing a homegrown solution, for which it initiated the development of the PAD/PDV family of exo-atmospheric interceptor missiles and AAD family of endo-atmospheric interceptor missiles. For target acquisition-cum-engagement, two EL/M-2080 ‘Green Pine’ active phased-array L-band long-range tracking radars (LRTR) were ordered in late 1998 from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), along with two THALES-built Master-A MFCRs, and a TMD simulation testbed from Israel’s Tadiran Electronic Systems.
The primary threats—both then and now—stemmed from the Pakistan Army’s 80 solid-fuelled single-stage M-11 (Hatf-3/Ghaznavi/CSS-7 Mod 1/DF-11) 280km-range TBMs that were inducted into service on February 22, 2004, and 60 liquid-fuelled single-stage Hatf-5/Ghauri-1/Nodong-1 IRBMs of North Korean origin, was inducted into service on January 8, 2003 under the 47 Missile Group of the Pakistan Army’s Strategic Forces Command (SFC). Presently, the Pakistan Army deploys two Missile Groups each of the Ghauri-1 and Ghaznavi (grouped under two separate Artillery Brigades, these being the Hyderabad-based Missile Brigade South comprising Missile Groups 25, 35 and 40; and the Sargodha-based Missile Brigade North comprising the 14, 28 and 47 Missile Groups).
During hostilities with India, all these missiles will be armed with conventional HE or FAE-based warheads. Each such Missile Group comprises 18 Ghaznavi TELs each with one ready-to-fire missile and two reloads, and 18 Ghauri-1 TELs each with two ready-to-fire missiles and two reloads. A Group can also be divided into three Batteries (with six Ghaznavi TELs and six missiles plus two reloads and six Ghauri-1 TELs with 12 missiles and 24 reloads). Presently, Batteries of the Ghauri-1 and Ghaznavi are deployed at Gujranwala, Okara, Mangla Multan, Jhang, Sonmiani, Quetta and Dera Nawab Shah.
Unfortunately, despite 19 years of R & D effort, the DRDO has to date been unable to even offer a fully functional TMD system, leave alone a networked TMD network. The main problem has been the DRDO’s inability to develop hypersonic interceptor missiles and their internally-mounted Ka-band active phased-array radars for terminal guidance. Only homegrown X-band and Ku-band radar seekers have been designed and tested without demonstrable success.  
And that is precisely the reason why, two years ago, when a combined team from IAI and Russia’s JSC Almaz-Antey MSDB made an unsolicited presentation to the IAF on an improved version of the S-400 ‘Triumph’ LR-SAM (a generation ahead of what has been sold to China) that would make use of IAI’s latest EL/M-2090U UHF-band active phased-array LRTR, the IAF began making hectic plans for procuring such a system for TMD within the foreseeable future.  
Presently, the S-400 makes use of four different types of supersonic endo-atmospheric interceptor missiles (top speed of 4.8km/second): the 40N6E, the 9M96E2, the 48N6E3 and the 48N6E2, all of which are armed with HE-fragmentation warheads. What Russia has proposed for the IAF are two HYPERSONIC missiles, the exo-atmospheric 77N6-N and the endo-atmospheric 77N6-NI, having top speeds of 7km/second and also being the first SAMs of Russian origin to possess INERT warheads, i.e. warheads that do not contain any explosives and instead, are ‘hittile’, meaning they will destroy inbound TBMs, IRBMs or MRBMs by sheer force of impact.  
The most revolutionary element of the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI hypersonic LR-SAMs will be their on-board nose-mounted, Ka-band millimeter-wave active phased-array radar seekers and their real-time discrimination algorithms required for fire-control and guidance of hit-to-kill interceptors. To this end, the radar seekers have been designed with a rigid mount and narrow beam to provide precise angle metric accuracy. The combination of metric accuracy, wide bandwidth, and high Doppler-resolution capabilities makes them excellent sensors for real-time discrimination, for they can provide extremely accurate identification-processing estimates of motion differences caused by mass imbalances on real and threat-like targets.
The 300-tonne EL/M-2090U ULTRA C-22 LRTR features an array of 22 UHF-band transmit-receive modules (TRM) in a single clustered unit that has been designed so that modules can be easily swapped. Using UHF, rather than the higher frequency bands, has particular application at long ranges since it suffers from less signal loss in the atmosphere. A discriminating innovation of the ELM-2090U is the digitisation of the signals at the TRM-level, which allows more flexibility in beam-forming and shaping. For TMD along a sectoral footprint, IAI has developed the EL/M-2090U’s ULTRA C-6 version, which has six TRM clusters. Each cluster can electronically steer its beam through +/-60 degrees in azimuth and across a 40-degree sector in elevation. In all cases, the array can be mechanically tilted through 30 degrees in elevation to provide a total elevation coverage of 70 degrees. The larger C-22 version comes mounted on a rail assembly that can be mechanically slewed through +/100 degrees to give 320-degree coverage.
As per the IAF’s projections, there exists a requirement for 12 Batteries of the S-400 (each Battery using four TELs each housing four cannister-encased LR-SAMs), plus 12 C-6 LRTRs and two C-22 LRTRs. In other words, as per the IAF’s appreciation, a total of 11 strategic sectors are required to be protected against inbound TBMs, IRBMs and MRBMs.
But does this all mean that the procurement of S-400 LR-SAMs is a foregone conclusion? Absolutely not. Significant questions still remain over the yet-to-be-demonstrated effectiveness of the hypersonic 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI missiles. In addition, a lot will depend on Russia’s ability/inability to ramp up series-production of such missiles over the next five years. Also, exercising the Russian option means that India will have to invest cost-prohibitive financial resources on deploying a network of space-based early-warning satellites, since Russia has diminished capacities in this arena. But most importantly, the US is not sitting by and let Russia and Israel have the cake and eat it as well. Since 2012, the US has been taking keen interest in India’s plans for acquiring exo-atmospheric/endo-atmospheric interceptor missiles, especially after the latter officially decided not to field a new generation of solid-fuelled tactical ballistic missiles—be they conventionally armed or nuclear-capable—for replacing the liquid-fuelled Prithvi-1 NLOS-BSMs of 1990s vintage. What this essentially meant, was that unlike Pakistan, India will not use ballistic missiles of any type that are conventionally armed, since such weapons have zero counter-force/counter-strike value. Pakistan, on the other hand, views conventionally armed ballistic missiles as weapons that can be employed as ‘terror weapons’ against civilian targets like large Indian cities as part of an effort to demoralise the civilian population residing in cities that are either India’s financial hubs, or technological hubs.     
Therefore, if Pakistan wants to secure the deterrent value of its strategic WMD arsenals against an Indian TMD shield, it can only do so if it formally adopts a ‘no first-use’ doctrine with universal applicability, at least for its strategic WMD inventory, if not for the short-range TNWs that are presently intended for use only in battlefields within Pakistan. Whether Pakistan will be willing to, or forced into adopting such a posture following the forthcoming meeting between US President Barack Obama and Pakistani Prime Minister Mian Mohd Nawaz Sharif (slated for October 22), remains to be seen. Prior to this meeting, however, there will be a series of meetings held in Washington DC between the Pakistan Army’s COAS, Gen Raheel Sharif and his SPD Director-General on one hand, and their counterparts from the Pentagon.
If Pakistan decides against adopting the a ‘no first-use’ doctrine, then the US will have two policy options to act upon: firstly, degrade and diminish the credibility of Pakistan’s nuclear WMD assets by offering to supply India with the hypersonic (Mach 8.2) Theater High-Altitude Air-Defence (THAAD) TMD system that has been jointly developed by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon; and secondly, initiate contingency planning along with India, the UK, Afghanistan and possibly Iran, for physically confiscating or destroying Pakistan’s entire arsenal of nuclear WMDs.   
It is in this light that one ought to view the symbolism of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with the Chairperson of Lockheed Martin, Ms Marillyn Hewson, in New York on September 24, 2015. That India’s national security decision-makers will favour the THAAD over the S-400 is hardly in doubt, since they are already convinced about the superior performance parameters of the US-origin TMD solution. At the military-industrial level too, both Lockheed Martin and Raytheon have already established their reputations in India as worthy industrial offsets partners and leading network-centric solutions providers. For instance, the systems integration software for the Indian Navy’s Gurgaon-based, Rs.452 crore state-of-the-art Information Management and Analysis Centre (IMAC), which was commissioned on November 23, was provided entirely by Raytheon, with the computing servers coming from CISCO. In future, the IMAC will morphe into the ‘nodal fusion centre’ of the Navy’s Rs.1,003 crore National Command Control Communications and Intelligence Network (NC3I).
For the IAF’s countrywide, quick-reaction TMD network too would such a ‘nodal fusion centre’ be required, along with the requirement for networking with the vast array of space-based early warning satellites that the US presently deploys. Therefore, if the IAF opts for the optimum TMD solution that makes use of THAAD, then India for sure will be required to ink the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA), which is the key to securing access to ballistic missile early warning alerts from the US Air Force Space Command’s satellite networks.
Next Thread: How & Why The IAF’s Force Structure Planning Process Went Awry 30 Years Ago

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sweet said...

"The above constitute the finaslised contours of the draft contract for the first 36 Rafales. So, do have Guinness Stout & chill out during Dusshera."

One of my favourite drinks, seems like we have similar tastes.....hahahaha


cheers.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SWEET: We do indeed, don't we? Meanwhile, have a laugh at the latest disclosures from one of the 3 'dossiers' of Pakistan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgdysxDhYU

According to this dossier, India uses 3 routes for helping the separatist Baluchis: two from the Arabian Sea (at Makran & Khuzdaar) & the third by land from Kandahar to Spin Boldak & then to Mastoon. Damn! If this is true, then R & AW's seaborne infiltration/exfiltration operations rival those of the US Navy's SEALs.

Here are some other analysis of the Pak PM's visit to the White House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoWUaweK-Fw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JJlZFI7Trk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzZKswSA78Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnlU706GLs

Meanwhile, despiter being an Islamic Republic, there's raging interest among Pakistani students in topics like Jinns, Black Magic & other paranormal phenomena! Do read this:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1212051

And watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pWLrnZyzZo

Ram Bharadwaj said...

The Economic Times pegs the size of Offsets from rafale deal at 30000 crores or 4.5 Billion dollars. So the price for acquiring the 36 Rafales comes to 9 billion dollars or 250 million dollars / aircraft.

Is this a correct figure?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAM BHARADWAJ: You haven't read my explanation above. In that it becomes clear that the US$4.5 billion figure relates to the total projected procurement of 189 Rafales. For the first 36 Rafales, only 15% indirect industrial offsets will flow back into India. Once the contract value of the 36 Rafales is known, it will be easy to calculate its 15% offset value.

Ram Bharadwaj said...

Thanks Sir for the clarification.

Just one more query. Was the License production of Mirage-2000 in early 80's scuttled by Russians to promote their Mig-29's and other western forces? Are their forces in play to scuttle the Rafale's just like the Mirage-2000's?

rad said...

hi prasun
there seems to be no news about the cause of failure of the latest nirbhay missile apart from veering of course and being terminated. Please update.is there a basic flaw?. why this slow pace of testing, ie 1 every year ? really exasperating.!
If ofb have the plans for the bofors 155mm guns, then why arent they making up for the cannibalized parts.?
Please comment on the positive remarks made by suneet krishna on the lca as no one in the world knows better than him.
why isnt the mody gov unable to break the back of the bureaucracy in the MOD.Is it legally possible to boot out all the IAS officers sitting on files who dont know the diff from an arse hole to the gun barrel hole!.and instead employ them some where else??

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir

This is possible to add fuel tanks in HAL Rudra for SOF missions in such a way? And if not, why not Special Forces asking for certain versions of this kind?

http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/images/clip_image010_0002.jpg

RAVI said...

How true is this?

"Visitors to India are often baffled by the wide berth given to even those very emaciated and diseased cows that seem to exist for no other purpose than to slow down the traffic on some of the world's most dangerous roads. But the cow wasn't sacred to the nomads and pastoralists from Central Asia who settled North India in the second millennium BC and created the high Brahminical culture of what we now know as Hinduism.

These Indians slaughtered cattle for both food and the elaborate sacrificial rituals prescribed by the Vedas, the first and the holiest Indian scriptures. After they settled down and turned to agriculture, they put a slightly higher value upon the cow: it produced milk, ghee, yoghurt and manure and could be used for ploughing and transport as well.

Indian religion and philosophy after the Vedas rejected the ritual killing of animals. This may have also served to protect the cow. But beef eating was still not considered a sin. It is often casually referred to in the earliest Buddhist texts. The great Indian emperor Ashoka, who instituted non-violence as state policy in the third century BC, did not ban the slaughter of cattle.

It is only in the early medieval period that the eating of beef became a taboo, if only for upper-caste Hindus. But the cow was far from holy. It is significant that no cow-goddesses, or temples to cows, feature in India's anarchically all-inclusive polytheisms."

Forge said...

Sir I am very confused by the Rafale deal you are suggesting.

You say a second tranche of 44 will be coming directly from France so how many will be built in India?

2) if the deal is signed this year it will only be for 36 Rafales, correct? When will the deals for follow-on Rafales be signed?

3) Why is it NO ONE (literally no one- not even the French) are making it clear this deal isn't for a mere 36 Rafales but the IAF will eventually have 189 Rafales in service? Read every single analysis and they are projecting very dark times for the IAF because they are only getting 36 Rafales. No one seems to be aware the 189 option for Rafales is still in play.


4) Why won't either the MoD, GoI or Dassualt make this public knowledge and be clear with the public? We are the ones funding this after all but we are being kept in the dark and being made to believe we are getting a shit deal for only 36 jets whilst all our enemies induct brand new aircraft and our JUNK the Mig-21 and 27 remains in service. I'm pissed off.

Anonymous said...

Ravi,
That portion of text was taken from the book by D. J. Jha, comments by Pankaj Mishra- a known Hindu basher married to a white woman living in UK. Both Jha and Mishra are known Hindu basher. They are strong leftist and do not have any idea on Veda. Both are advocates of Aryan Invasion theory, which was debunked scientifically and logically. If anyone asked them or any leftist historians, where in Veda it was mentioned of beef eating, he or any pseudo intellectuals will say, "You go and read Veda." If we question more, they stamp anyone as "Sangis", "Hindutwavadi", "Hindu Militant" etc.
No where in Veda it is mentioned that one should eat beef.
Historian Jha says there was no temples were destroyed by Muslims. Nalanda University was not destroyed by Muslim invader. All sorts of lies he writes and he gets all awards.

RaviN

sweet said...




http://www.merabsarpa.com/politics/special-frontier-force


" Establishment Number. 22/Special Frontier Force:

I had served in Establishment No.22/Special Frontier Force(SFF) from 22 September, 1971 to December 18, 1974 as its Medical Officer and hence have known its history and its mission from my direct service experience. I would describe SFF as a multinational defense alliance/pact similar to North Atlantic Treaty Organization. However, this military organization had remained very small in size because of India’s foreign policy of political neutralism that is popularly known as Non-Alignment Policy. Tibet, is indeed a vast Nation and yet we were not able to raise a large force to achieve the stated mission of this organization. The US contribution could have been much bigger if India had joined the military pact called Southeast Asia Treaty Organization or SEATO(1955-76). At that time, United States was willing to use its military force to combat Communist expansionism. Unfortunately, Tibet had pursued a policy of political isolationism and Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had his own idealistic vision of global relations that ignored the problem of Tibet’s military occupation by Communist China. President Dwight D. Eisenhower and his Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles had to use the services of CIA to conduct a very modest military operation. This covert mission had India’s support and it was not covert as China had better intelligence capabilities and had recognized the Indian participation. The Tibetan National Uprising of March 1959 had failed just like the ‘Bay of Pigs’ invasion of Cuba. Both US and India had vastly underestimated the Chinese defense and intelligence capabilities. China had retaliated with a massive force attacking India across the Himalayan frontier. Fortunately, US President John F. Kennedy had still pursued the same foreign policy that began by President Harry S. Truman who had advocated the use of military force to combat the threat of Communism. The Secret White House Recordings of President John F. Kennedy are made public now. President Kennedy threatened China with a nuclear strike and China had declared unilateral cease-fire on November 21, 1962 and it withdrew from captured territory. I would give due credit to President Kennedy’s US administration for the creation of Establishment No.22/SFF. Both India, and Tibet had lacked the vision to use military force to contain the Communist threat. I had participated in Operation Eagle and I know the precise numbers of killed and wounded and I know the battle plan for this military action in Chittagong Hill Tracts. I may not fully agree with the information shared by you. Just like the Tibetan soldiers, I resent the fact that I was not awarded the gallantry award that was recommended by my Unit Commander, Brigade Commander, and the Force Commander. In my consciousness, I had given place to the ‘Spirits’ of those young Tibetan soldiers who had given their lives in the battle while dreaming to establish Freedom and Democracy in the occupied Land of Tibet. I have no personal desire for awards and decorations and did not raise that issue while I served in Indian Army until 1984. After His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama’s visit to Ann Arbor, Michigan, ‘The Living Tibetan Spirits’ had asked me to demand this gallantry award in due recognition of their sacrifice. I had submitted petition/grievance to the Government of India and it is not yet approved.

http://Bhavanajagat.com/2010/04/03/Award-of-Gallantry-Awards-Indo-Pak-War-of-1971/"

Anonymous said...

Prasun Da;

If 50% offsets for 189 Rs is 4.5B, does that mean the total cost of 189 Rs is only 9B?. This does not make any sense. I am obviously missing something. Or is 4.5B 15% of of the total cost, which means 189 Rs cost is 30B, which means each Rafale is ~ 150M. 150M is still a great price considering Jets+weapons+training+1Base+MRO. At least better than the 200-250M that is being talked about in the un-informed world of journalism or what it would have been with the farcical TOT.
Could you please explain more, sorry for the repeat question.
Thanks
Ashish

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The joint statement issued by the White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/22/2015-joint-statement-president-barack-obama-and-prime-minister-nawaz) has clearly dismissed Pakistan's territorial claims on J & K (inclusive of PoK) by referring to the Kashmir issue as only a dispute, & not as a territorial dispute, meaning it reinforces the UNSC's resolutions to date on J & K that acknowledged the legality of J & K's Instrument of Accession to India & by consequence, regards the state of J & K inclusive of PoK (including Gilgit-Baltistan) as one integral, undivided state of the Republic of India. Read the statement below:

"The leaders emphasized the importance of a sustained and resilient dialogue process between the two neighbors aimed at resolving all outstanding territorial and other disputes, including Kashmir, through peaceful means and working together to address mutual concerns of India and Pakistan regarding terrorism."

This undoubtedly will cause a lot of heartburn in both Beijing & Islamabad, & clearly question the legal validity of the projected CPEC.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, kindly share your views regarding this article :


1. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/uspakistan-bonhomie-leaves-india-at-a-loss/article7798044.ece

---- What is the big deal in supplying PAF, of 8 F - 16 ?

2. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/isro-arm-messed-case-before-losing-to-devas/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/CBI-examines-former-Isro-chief-Radhakrishnan-in-Antrix-Devas-deal/articleshow/49496543.cms

------ your prediction on Devas deal is coming true, and also seems Dr. Radhakrishnan may have lot to answer.

DAshu said...

The leaders emphasized the importance of a sustained and resilient dialogue process between the two neighbours aimed at resolving all outstanding--"TERRiTORiAL"-- and other disputes, including Kashmir, through peaceful means and working together to address mutual concerns of India and Pakistan regarding terrorism.

They do recognize Kashmir as territorial disputes though.it is individual choice to read the context according to own POV.

Unknown said...

Sir, is there any plan from gtre to procure flying testbed?

What is TBO for kaveri engine ?
in your opinion can kaveri finally achieve goals of 90+ kn thrust & 1000kg weigh ?

KAHIN KAVERI ENGINE PROGRAM BAND TO NAHIN KAR DIYA ???

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

^^^http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-hasnt-notified-congress-of-f-16-fighter-jets-sale-to-pakistan-1235424

Unknown said...

Sir, what is rafale's combat radius on internal fuel ?

It has been repeatedly said that IAF is insisting on two rafale bases, whereas French are adamant on one .....

Has this dispute been settled ?
what difference does it makes ?

Unknown said...

Prasun sir,
Your view on this?
http://timesofindia.com/city/hyderabad/Defencescientists-can-now-make-components-of-Jaguar-aircraft/articleshow/49517141.cms

Is this a positive development?

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

@Jay , I think we do not need scientist to manufacture components for Jaguar .... i think its a retrograde situation ....

financeblogger said...

Must watch videos for everyone displaying true picture of Pakistan since 1947.

On Balochistan and how a lady was murdered by Pakistan military/intelligence upon speaking for Pakistan.

Corruption in Pakistan's military.

How Pakistan is going to disintegrate and Balochistan will gain independence?

On Kashmiri Pandits as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqZCDrUdqxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jKzHWnMcro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkOI-Jpcnew

financeblogger said...

Apologies in previous comment lady murdered by Pakistan military/intelligence upon speaking for Balochistan

financeblogger said...

Must watch videos where Pakistani defence personnel owning up Pakistan's initiation of all wars and Pakistan living under fake threat of India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S3IUov9Ehg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-CrN8kUjHY

Sane Pakistani journalist(having knowledge of nuclear weapons), mentioning of how uneducated and illiterate people are talking of nuclear warfare and how Pakistan would be wiped out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5A71qJ4xY

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

maybe this one give you a good laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHY3XUBX-c

financeblogger said...


Pakistan is CANCER to the world


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8c9x2p_sEU

vrp said...

Sir, your analysis on the situation in Maldives and Nepal. It seems that the situation developing there is against Indian interest with China making inroad into Nepal.

Thanks

Govind M said...

Sir,
Plz do share your opinion on this article which appeared in the Jerusalem Post about India voting against Israel in UNESCO motion.
http://idrw.org/reports-of-india-changing-its-negative-voting-pattern-on-israel-prove-premature/#more-76764

AKS said...

Sir, has DMRL has reached some kind of technological maturity in 3D printing and Ceramic Matrix Composite Manufacturing technology?

Amit

Unknown said...

Defensenews.com has reported that Russian diplomats in New Delhi said Moscow is unlikely to agree to any S-400 deal until India clarifies its position on the joint Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme

http://m.ibtimes.co.in/india-seeks-s-400-missile-systems-moscow-may-link-deal-fgfa-project-651848

Is it true ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

RE: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/why-india-didnt-strike-pakistan-after-26-11/1/498952.html

This is something I had revealed 3 years ago! Only now the 'desi' turds have bothered to dwell upon it! And still they have failed to connect this incident with the formation of TSD.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIYUSH DAS: What deal? The version of the S-400 that the IAF is interested in for benchmarking purposes only (vis-a-vis the THAAD) is not even in the series-production stage! So howe can Russia formally offer it to India?

To AMIT SINGH! LoLzzzz!!! Technological maturity? Only someone who conceived & demonstrated the viability of 3-D printing etc etc & is also the patent-holder of is in a position to offer it to a heavy engineering entity so that cost-effective industrial applications can be developed & applied. This is what technological maturity is all about. If I were to gain access to the patent & tie-up with a heavy engineering entity for replicating the process I've outlined above, then I'm not dabbling in any form of technology development or maturity. Instead, all I'm doing is re-inventing wheel through back-engineering. And this means I'm trying to overcome the challenges of production-engineering. This has nothing to do with acquiring a technology or mastering it. The scientific & industrial patents are already at my disposal & all that I'm required to do is apply my mind to understand them & replicate them. Therefore, these have nothing to do with technology development or technological breakthroughs or technological maturity. One must therefore be far more circumspect about using such buzzwords, especially those DRDO technocrats who foolishly tend to use them in their newsletters & other publications. For, they are only fooling themselves & their band of senseless jingos--and not the discerning folks.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIYUSH DAS: TBO or TTSL can only be established AFTER the definitive version of the turbofan is available for flight certification. Right now, GTRE is still in the process of fabricating the first functional prototype of the Kaveri & it won't be flight-tested before 2017.

To SUMANTA: The PAFrequires at least 20 F-16s that will be cannibalised for spares support over the coming years, since the F-16 production line in Fort Worth is closing. This is similar to what the PAF did in the late 1980s when it bought several Mirage III/V airframes from countries like Australia, Lebanon etc purely for purposes of cannibalisation.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: There's a distinct difference between "territorial disputes, including Kashmir" & "territorial & other disputes, including Kashmir". According to Pakistani journalists accompanying the PM's delegation, Islamabad had insisted on the former, but were forced to agree to the latter, since the US was against the questioning the authenticity & legality of the Instrument of Accession--which Pakistan refuses to accept as per its 1973-vintage Constitution's Article 257.

SOUBHAGYA said...

Dear Prasun,

If Hawk AJT can be used for CAS, then what is the difference between Tejas AND Hawk. I think Hawk project is more successful. Tejas Mk 1 can be shelved and Hawk can be inducted !!!!!!! :/

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/IAF-opens-Walong-Advanced-Landing-Ground/articleshow/49514768.cms

AniluvG said...

This is something I had revealed 3 years ago! Only now the 'desi' turds have bothered to dwell upon it! And still they have failed to connect this incident with the formation of TSD.

Prasunda couldnt find ur narrative in your blog. Can you help me with the link?

Regards

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SOUBHAGYA: AJT like Combat Hawk Mk132 is subsonic & therefore can be used only for CAS. LCA (Navy) Mk1-derived version of Tejas Mk1 is supersonic & can therefore be used for BOTH CAS & defensive counter-air combat air patrols. Therefore BOTH are reqd, & not only one type.

To ANILUVG: It's the thread dealing with coastal/maritime security.

AniluvG said...

Prasunda
I have a bone to pick.

Maks 15 report part 2 never came. And the current thread is not complete.

As a diehard visitor of your blog its quite frustrating. But the very fact that you wrte is good enough for me . Request you not to put the teaser and let us salivate for weeks.

Regds

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AniluvG: It is circumstances & events that overtake the scheduled thread uploads. The following thread will deal with this thread's continuation about the IAF's force-structure formulation process & will then culminate in a new thread that deals with the entire Tejas MRCA R & D effort, i.e. the dissection of the CAG report, since that report itself does not go to the core of the problems afflicting this R & D venture since its very inception. This in turn will take us to yet another new thread about where India has fundamentally gone wrong in terms of product innovation since the 1960s--most of which have luckily been touched upon briefly in T N Ninan's latest book.

And by the way, in case anyone has seen the chest-thumping interview of Sam Pitroda in INDIA TODAY, it will be worthwhile to note that it was because of him & Rajiv Gandhi that India totally missed the ICT revolution in the early 1990s. Helped by sychophants/chamchaas/arse-lickers like Vasant Sathe, Sam Pitroda ensured that cellular telecommunications entered India a full decade AFTER the rest of the world. And while he proudly states that he never received any monetary compensation from the Govt of India for his services, what he does not state is that he used to receive a nominal amount of Rs.1 every month as salary, he had a free bungalow to live in, was given two staff cars for himself & family, he made 3 fully-paid trips to the US & the money was paid by the Govt of India, & his public utility requirements were 100% free--all these tabs being picked up by the Govt of India.

This is what happens when people are selective with the truth!

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir Any word about this?

"In this context, the Prime Minister apprised the President about Pakistan’s resolve to take effective action against United Nations-designated terrorist individuals and entities, including Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and its affiliates, as per its international commitments and obligations under UN Security Council resolutions and the Financial Action Task Force."

The US maybe reminding Pak that he have some obligations to fulfill toward whole world.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: The devil is always in the detail: Nawaz Sharif's commitment towards adherence to UNSC resolutions applies to only the sovereign territory of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. In other words, Pakistan can & does always claims that it cannot be held responsible for what's transpiring within PoK because the so-called 'Azad kashmir' is an independent territorial entity with its own PM etc etc & is therefore outside the legal jurisdiction of Pakistan.

What the statement should have said was that Pakistan will ensure its adherence to all UNSC resolutions not only within Pakistan, but also within all Pakistan-controlled areas. This was missing in the joint statement this time, but this was first officially stated by President Gen Pervez Musharraf in a televised speech he gave on January 11, 2002.

Of course India holds the trump-cards for denying Pakistan the right to claim plausible deniability, because scores of Pakistani Punjabis (close to 100 caught alive) hailing from the Ravi-Chenab corridor are presently languishing in Indian prisons throughout J & K & can be paraded as flesh-n-blood evidences before the world anytime, whereas Pakistan cannot do the same to substantiate any of its allegations about Indian interference inside Karachi, or Baluchistan or FATA.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Watch this brilliant analysis by prominent, discerning Pakistanis, aired last night, which confirms that foreign & national security policies are being formulated & enforced by the PA's Pindi-based GHQ, that the Pak PM has actually stated that he has too many things on his plate to focus on foreign/national security policy-making, & that the US had invited him to just maintain the facade of respecting Pakistan's democratic institutions. Therefore, the result-producing visit next month will be that of the 'Real Sharif':

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3azidt_spot-light-25th-october-2015_news

Satpathy said...

Waiting pateintly for the "Next Thread", long overdue :).....

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

PM Nawaz Sharif Speech in US Institute of Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1SA5-nGoI


Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATPATHY: Will try to upload it tomorrow. Am still in Kabul. The endgame has now begun in Afghanistan. A Russian infantry battalion composed of Chechan soldiers & a battalion of Uzbek special operations forces from Uzbekistan are now functioning under the command of Afghan Vice President Abdul Rashid Dostum & they are making mincemeat of the Pak-supported Afghan Taliban. The decision to deploy these Russian/Uzbek soldierswas conveyed to Pakistan last August & that's why the COAS of PA was summoned to Moscow. He was told to keep his Punjabi & Afghan Taliban 'pussies' at bay (because Russia, Afghanistan & India knew that Mullah Omar was long dead & Pakistan was busy grooming the next generation of Afghan Taliban leaders & trying to keep this a secret from everyone, including China), but obviously Pakistan failed to deliver & therefore the Afghan Taliban's leadership is now being targetted & will eventually be neutralised over the next 12 months. That's also the reason why the top Afghan Taliban leaders are all holed up in Quetta. 3 weeks ago the ISAF Commander gen John Campbell was in delhi for urgent consultations, asking the Govt of India to send batches of IAF technicians to Afghanistan so that the Afghan Air Force Mi-17V-5s can be made airworthy with the help of India-supplied spares, rotables & consumables. This is because the existing US sanctions against Russia preclude any US-based contractor from supplying product support or spares supplies (such support was previously outsourced to private US contractors). So, Russia & India have decided to take over these roles, & President Putin has already signed a Presidential decree which authorises 23 Russia-based OEMs to sell spares, weapons etc directly to India (for onward supply to Afghanistan), thereby bypassing the red-tapes associated when dealing between India's MoD & Russia's Rosoboronexport State Corp.

Time for Pakistan therefore to reap the whirlwind from the onslaught of a combined Russia-India-Central Asian-Afghanistan coalition of the willing. Alas, all those Pakistanis who were masturbating until now about a multipolar world & about the rise of a Russia-China-Pakistan axis will all instead end up having terminal erectile dysfunctions!!!

Saurav said...

Sir, What happened to our deployment of Hinds and Fulcrum to Ayni airbase to support our Afghan friends?

Is RA&W really capable of such complex sea based infil exfil activities ? Do you believe in what the dossier says about the entry points? Or Pakistan is spinning them out of thin air?

Now when Pakistan has gone on record regarding the usage of ballistic missiles against some IAF airbases, doesnt the procurement of theatre ballistic missile defense capabilities assumes vital importance on IAF's part. Why isnt it possible to use Barak-8 as an anti TBM missile system similar to hwo America uses Pac-3 ?

Gessler said...

http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/cia-chiefs-emails-expose-pakistans-terror-tactics-in-india.html

Akash said...

Hi Prasun,the desi bandalbaaz strikes again. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2015/10/cutting-edge-israeli-radar-wins-air.html?m=0

Pls clear the following facts-

1.Since when has Darin 3 included an aesa radar namely 2052 from Elta? We all knew it was el/m-2032 mechanically scanned slotted planar radar.

2. From where did he dig up the term SoP 18? This is said to have been agreed upon by all stakeholders on september 23.

3. What is the big deal in having an underwing jammer carried on a hardpoint? Why are people branding it as an important capability addition? Even the present Tejas iteration can carry a self protection jammer pod without any mods. Rf jammer integration was part of the Foc.

4. When did Elta agree to develope a customised variant of its premier el2052 aesa with Drdo for the mk1A project? And if so how do they plan on completing the entire series of bench and flight tests and deliver the final end product to HAL by 2018-19?

5. Another 100 Tejas based on NP1 are to be ordered in addition to the 20 IOc standard Tejas mk1 ordered and 20 FOC to be ordered.

Devopriyo said...

Hi Prasun,

What do you think of this article
http://idrw.org/cutting-edge-israeli-radar-wins-air-force-approval-for-tejas-fighter/

3rd ~ EyE said...

Hi Prasun ,

Is this data from wiki true ? "In 2014 wikileaks revealed that india shared DRAG reduction technology for Hypersonic ballistic missile with israel and in return got aerostat technology"
If this is actually true , aint Drag reduction at Hyper sonic speeds a much niche tech than aerostat ? aren't we at a loss ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashdeep_Aerostat

Anonymous said...

Prasun da,

Seems your prediction about earthquake in the Hindukush region in the October and November turns true.

shah said...

sir,

again a severe earth quake hits afghanistan and pakistan so calles cpec corridor when do you
think chinese will back off from this project or will see indias help by diverging its path.

thanks

shah said...

whats this BS sir heights of enlightening journalism

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/cutting-edge-israeli-radar-wins-air-force-approval-for-tejas-fighter-115102500749_1.html

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

This is the earthquake you was talking about?
http://www.imd.gov.in/section/seismo/dynamic/PRLMNEW1.HTM

I even felt this in Delhi.

AniluvG said...

Earthquake in Hindukush . Prasunda the way your predictions are coming true , you will be classified as a BABA.

AniluvG said...

Hope Alls well around you in Kabul. Take care

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir, one more question, any importance of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TSircAsICw

This is well known that Chota Rajan was working for R&AW and IB after 2000.

Arpit Kanodia said...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSPVh4bUAAAwyp2.jpg:large

Lol, he looks like pretty excited and happy after arrest.

rasayan said...

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2015/10/26/arihant-how-rusia-helped-deliver-indias-baby-boomer_533849

Mayur M Manapure said...

http://idrw.org/cpec-facing-teething-problems-pak-media/

Combined with today's earthquake... When is PRC going to realize it's a bad idea
Even Pakistanis know CPEC is nothing but a ch***apa..

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, hope you are well and secure in Kabul, in the wake of this Earthquake, and wishing everybody and you here, Suvo Bijoya Dashami.

Rajesh Mishra said...

Missed a lot as I was out to a remote place. Meanwhile it is heartening to know that Putin has started retaliating strongly against the ISIS and their henchmen.

Pakistan has been just now hit by an earthquake. Hope this chain continues severely and strikes at all the vital places therein.

Now all indications are there that US and Russia shall independently attack on the choicest Pakistani targets.

Jon said...

Interesting article:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-looks-to-russia-for-military-hardware-1445814276

Corroborates the points made by PKS.

G said...

HI Prasun

Would like to hear your views + All the readers of this blog

The national war memorial is to be yet to be finalise , is dedicated to all Soldiers who were martyred in all the battles and wars fought since independence Though I welcome this step. My Issue is WHY NOT the soldiers whose fought in WW2? , yes they fought for our overloads. Still their bravery should be also recognise too!

ALSO , need clarification : Are the Soldiers who fought in UN peacekeeping missions will also being honoured here?

What say u all?

Unknown said...

Sir

Latest by business standard......and Mr Shukla.

What's he upto now....... AESA radar on IAF Jaguars.

Is IAF planning to arm them with AMRAAM ER or better DEW.

pm said...

prasun sir r u safe?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

Subho Bijoya. Hope by the blessing of Ma Durga you are safe in Kabul. Heard the city was struck by an earthquake.

I found this recent report that RAND has published.

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1000/RR1021/RAND_RR1021.pdf

1. It basically states that it is in the interest of the West to ensure the NDA govt falls by 2019.

2. Also RAND believes that Trinamool will have a say in India's Myanmar policies and AIADMK in Malaysia policies in future coalition govts.

buddha said...

hope u r well sir....
ur calculative prediction comes true
http://idrw.org/cpec-facing-teething-problems-pak-media/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SAURAV: That is a contingency plan of the IAF in case in case the PA ‘s Aviation Corps & PAF violates Afghanistan’s airspace the following summer. Now it is wintertime & the PA’s ground campaign against the TTP has come to a standstill & will resume only next March. As for Mi-35s, guess what! The four Mi-35Ms that were originally expected to go to Pakistan will now be given to the Afghan Air Force! So mich for Pakistani rumourmongering!!!

Infiltration/exfiltration operations are always combined efforts by R & AW & the armed services. But in this case, I can confirm that no such operation took place under any form of Indian sponsorship. That was the policy decision of UPA-2. If Pakistan is so confident about its evidences, then why hide the faces of those Pakistani citizens accused of collaborating with R & AW? And on one hand the televised confessions claim that R & AW is responsible, while the confessions’ contents state that the handlers were from the Indian Army! This is totally contradictory to begin with, & everyone knows that the IA’s field intelligence units cannot operate beyond a distance of 15km inside any foreign territory. That’s the law. Only R & AW can operate beyond that & for this, no one from the IA or any other armed service is ever used.

Of course a proven TMD solution is the need of the hour & the only one available is the THAAD. Barak-8 cannot be used against TBMs. The Arrow & Patriot family of missiles are meant for use against SRBMs, not TBMs or IRBMs. Barak-8 isn’t hypersonic.

To 3rd-EYE: LoLz! Just check how long ago Israel developed its Jericho family of ballistic missiles & when did India begin similar efforts. That will help you separate the wheat from chaff.

To ANILUVG: What!!!!!!! Yet another BABA????? Doesn’t India already have more than enough of them already? I’d rather be a BASHA rather than a Baba!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: Not quite. But his relaxed photo strongly suggests that he has made a deal with India’s law-enforcement authorities for a mutually agreeable surrender. He was a spent force a lohg time ago & had outlived his utility. BTW have a look at this dimwit professor from Pakistan arguiging that the greatest & largest democracy in the world is CHINA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBI3-iTn_SM

Of course this dimwit was pooh-poohed by the other panelists, but it just goes to show what kind of intellectual byproducts are existing there!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To G: It will be interesting to see the contents & depictions of the projected National War Memorial. For instance, will those who served with the INA be included? If yes, then how will they be reconciled with those who served with the British Indian Army during WW-2? All fallen warriors, be they during WW-1, WW-2 or UN peacekeeping operations or the IPKF, will find place in the Memorial.

To PM & SUMANTA: Yes indeed, nothing serious in Kabul. Only in northeastern Afghanistan (bordering KPK & Chitral) has there been some significant damage. Folks there are uttering pleadings like “Ya Allah Hamari Qaum Par Reham Kar” & are referring to it as “Pakistan Ki Tareekh Ka Bad Tareen Zalzala”. It will be interesting to see who now goes to assist, since most of the ISAF utility helicopters have already departed Afghanistan. Will China bother to send the SAR variants of its AC-313 heavylift helicopter?

To VIKRAM GUHA: VMT & the very same to you & all your loved ones. BTW, do watch this fascinating 2-part documentary tracing the genesis of ISIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsHrULpYeFk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yX6pKOd19Q&hd=1

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AKASH, SHAH, DEVOPRIYO & SHASHANK SHEKAR: LoLz!!! Bandalbaazis from India’s foremost bandalbaaz patrakaar/journalist only serve to give the impression of a riddle being wrapped inside a mystery within an enigma! Here are the facts: The Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 upgrade project was sanctioned in March 2008 & HAL received a Rs.3113.02 crore contract for 68 aircraft. However, it is only on November 28, 2012 that the 1st upgraded Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 prototype equipped with an EL/M-2032 MMR made maiden flight. At that time, the upgrade programme was scheduled for completion by December 2017. The IAF had meanwhile revised its ASQR for this upgrade project that mandated the MMR to function simultaneously (interleaved operating mode) in both the terrain avoidance mode, weather profiling mode & airborne target-scanning mode. This is impossible to achieve in any MMR with slotted-array antenna, because the laws of physics dictate that any such radar can only achieve all this sequentially, not concurrently.

Therefore, when IAI/ELTA explained all this to the IAF, the latter saw the EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR as being the only realistic option. Thus, a course-correction was initiated & this explains why the Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 upgrade project has been so time-consuming. It was only last year that the 1st EL/M-2052 was delivered to HAL & flight-testing by the IAF’s ASTE commenced only late last year. By all accounts, therefore, the upgrade programme will be completed only by 2019 at best. Regarding per-unit costs of AESA-MMRs, the rule-of-thumb is the more one procures of any one type, the lesser the per-unit cost. That also makes the EL/M-2052 an attractive option for the IAF’s future Tejas MRCA procurements, since for CAS missions too a lo-lo flight profile will need to be flown & this in turn requires both terrain avoidance & weather profiling modes of the AESA-MMR to be used concurrently.

Cont'd below...

buddha said...

can pinaka rocket system be intregrated for indian fighter aircrafts
or modified airforce version be made......

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

SoP-18 (LoLz!) refers to the 18th iteration of the LCA (Navy) Mk1’s flight-control logic, & not the entire design of the airframe. There will be NO underwing EL/L-8222 ASPJ pod. Because when executing CAS missions, the greatest & sometimes only threat stems from MANPADS/VSHORADS, for which flare countermeasures dispensers will suffice. But there will be twin on-board ELT-568 jammers (one forward-facing probably aft of the cockpit canopy & one aft-facing just above the vertical tail-root) & twin MAWS sensors mounted in underwing pylons. No Tejas Mk1 iteration can carry internal ASPJ along with all other mission avionics LRUs. The PV-1 prototype now being used to flight-test the internal ASPJ had to see some LRUs removed just to make way for the ASPJ. Therefore, the PV-1 is now being used as an airborne avionics testbed & will also be used in future to certify the EL.M-2052’s environment control system (i.e. the cooling elements). Customised version of the EL/M-2052 for Tejas was first shown in full-scale mockup during Aero India 2013.

But what is now to be factored in is the sheer cost of maintaining different types of AESA-MMRs in-country in the years to come, these being the EL/M-2052, the AESA-MMR for the projected Super Su-30MKI, the NO-36 AESA-MMR for the FGFA, & the RBE-2 for the Rafale MMRCA.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: What for? They are long & bulky & have no internal space for accommodating any kind of terminal seeker. Far more compact PGMs are now available with both single-mode & dual-mode guidance.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

BTW, it is now confirmed that while the 180kg Zhemchoug MMR with slotted-array antenna equips the J-10As of the PLAAF & PLAN, the J-10Bs will all have the 220kg Rp-35 passive phased-array MMR. Both these radars come directly from Russia’s Phazotron NIIR.

rad said...

Hi Prasun
why are russian radars on the j-10? Is it that the chinese have not yet made a reliable airborne radar?. If so , then it means that the f-17 radar is not good and can be easily spoofed by the elt 568 and other jammers , thus rendering the sd-10 missile useless with no targeting or data link. I was given to believe that the Israelis had transfered the elm -2032 radar tech to them as part of the lavi deal.?
Is it possible to copy the russian phased array radar?. will the russians part with the source code?. How are they going to integrate the various chinese missiles if not?.
Its nice to hear that the 2052 aesa radar has been chosen for the jaguar . It will become a multi role fighter with better engines etc.It does not take much to integrate the derby as well.
Can the 2052 radar be integrated with the auto pilot and flight control system for a hands off lo - lo -lo attack profile??. I have a feeling it could be a great success then. Why not buy lots of second hand jags lying with france and UK and refurbish them to stem the decline in numbers?
If the 2052 goes on the lca dont you think it will need larger MFD to display the higher resolution and various modes simultaneously which the tiny 5x5 mfd are not capable of?.

Akash said...

Sir,Is there available internal volume in Tejas mk1 to house the various LRu s of the ELT-568 active electronically scan jammers? Is it confirmed that the definitive Tejas mk1 for IAF will have such internal ew gear?

Regarding maws will it be the Milds-F? Each pylon has 3 sensors and provides full hemispherical coverage.if we are having maws installed in wing pylons then it must be more than two.

How much life is left in each of those 68 airframes that will be upgraded with aesa and Darin-3 avionics? Wouldnt it be bettr to have them replaced with a new platform instead of upgrading them?

Rajesh Mishra said...

Pakistan Geological Survey head Imran Khan told the BBC there were reports of landslides disrupting the Karakoram highway between Gilgit and Baltistan. However, he said it was too early to say if any glaciers were destabilized by the quake.

So the things are coming to the point.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,
Good hear that you are safe and secure in Afghanistan.

Yours forecast about earthquake in PoK and came true albeit I think more damaged has happened in KPK.

Secondly I got the opportunity to read your views about BMD and how India could take PoK back but my query is about upheaval happening in country over issues like cow meat. what are your views abt it & do you think Govt could have done or should do to maintain peace and sanity in society. How we will comfort PoK people if we can't handle our current social discord.

May God keep you safe there.

Regards,

Pawan

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun,

I am regular reader of your blog. I heard about Dr. Subbarao Story. Is it True in the given link. Moreover I heard his son also got arrested in US. Please Explain.

http://indiatogether.org/manushi/issue108/subbprof.htm

Thanks
S. Kumar

Anonymous said...


http://atimes.com/2015/10/ubs-expects-chinas-one-belt-investment-to-hit-200-billion-in-3-years/

china throwing more money away. do they really have this much?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To S KUMAR: It is all 100% true. And there's plenty of evidence from the Mumbai High Court by way of paperwork to prove it all. He was indeed arrested on unsubstantiated charges due to a conspiracy hatched at that time by the colluding top brass of the DAE & DRDO. What proves it all now is a book written by a retired Dr Anil Anand of BARC, titled SECOND STRIKE. Just how 'brilliant' these so-called scientists at BARC were vividly comes out in this book, when this Dr explains India's quest to fit a PHWR inside a submarine hull!!! And that too when no one else in the world had done so. This is what their hair-brained schemes were!!! The folks at BARC & NPCIL are good for developing PHWRs over land, but developing PWRs with extremely high power density was & is way beyond their league. That's why when the Indianj Navy got serious about the SSBN project, it straightaway advised the Govt of India to approach Russia for military-industrial assistance & that's how the DRDO-financed ATV Project Office started working. And that office was & is manned almost exclusively by retired IN personnel, & hardly anyone from the DRDO or DAE.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: VMT. Let me explain by offering as an analogy a 'borrowed' paragraph written by e bandalbaaz, who states: Former Israeli Air Force chief, General David Ivry, explains deterrence through a formula--“Power (P) x Intent (I) = Deterrence (D)--which regards deterrence as the product of two factors. The first, i.e. power, is not the actual capability of the deterring country (India), but what the country being deterred (Pakistan) believes its capability to be."

If this analogy is applied to law enforcement, it means 'nipping the problem in the bud' by enforcing the law in a cold-hearted & unprejudiced manner, so that mischief-makers are isolated at the very outset. That's how only 800,000 (8 lakh) colonial Brits ensured law-and-order over 28 crore Indians in pre-partition India. So, from that we can conclude that mischief-makers & provocateurs like the Yogis, Maharajs, Sadhvis etc etc who go around making outrageous claims should be challenged to prove their assertions beyond reasonable doubt (by asking them to quote any verse or sentence from any of the Vedas, Puranas or Upanishads that says consumption of beef is prohibited on religious grounds), & since they will most certainly fail, then they should be charged with spreading hatred & terrorising the citizens of India, which in turn will lead to them being convicted by law & being sentenced to rigorous imprisonment terms. Such a move against no more than 5 such perverted personalities will send the message across India & deterrence will therefore prevail. No one will ever dare to emulate these perverts.

Secondly, a genuine political leader will have to emerge to explain to India's citizens the distinct differences between religion, sects & cults. Only then will people realise that prior to the emergence of the Bhakti Cult (worshippers of Krishna) there were no edicts against beef consumption. Overwhelming majority of folks in India don't even know what Vedanta philosophy is all about, leave alone the differences between Vaishnavite & Shaivite sects. Everyone today wants quick-fix social formulas when none will ever emerge. This ignorance then is exploited by certain individuals & interest-groups by creating faultlines of RELIGIOSITY. This phenomenon--aided by as-yet unchallenged colonial constructs like 'Hinduism', 'Hindus' & 'Aryans'--then hijacks the existing beliefs of sects & the core religious philosophies, & the only end-result is mayhem & utter confusion. And it is widespread in South Asia: Vedanta being challenged by Vaishnavites & Shaivites; Vaishnavites & Shaivites being challenged by Buddhism & Jainism; and all of them being challenged by followers of the Bhakti cult. Similarly, Sunni sect is challenged by the Shia, & they inj turn are challenged by the Wahabis, Salafists, Deobandis, Barelvis, Ahmadiyas, Islmailis, Dawoodi Bohras etc etc. Same is the case with clashes between the various 'Deras' of Sikhism.

What we are therefore witnessing today are not clashes between various religions or civilisations, but clashes between various strands of religiousity--i.e. all man-made creations that have no connection with divinity whatsoever. These in turn mutate further into class divides that lead to calls for reservation, especially in countries where high unemployment prevails--this being done in order to avoid competition. In India's case, the prsent-day upheaval is all due in most part to the previous decade of 'jobless' GDP growth in a globalised environment. Will 'Make in India' solve this problem? I very Much doubt so.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AKASH: ELT-568 requires only 1 internal LRU: the processor. Everything else is externally mounted in a conformal manner. Pylon-mounted MAWS is only for the rear hemisphere, not for covering the area below the aircraft belly. Hence, single MAWS sensor aft of one pylon under each wing will suffice. This similar to the 2 rearward MAWS sensors mounted on the JF-17 Thunder & now even on the J-10B MRCA. Complete set of 6 MAWS sensors are necessary only for M-MRCAs & Heavy-MRCAs. Jaguar IS airframes will be able to sustain flights till 2040. It's the existing Adour turbofans whose TTSL will expire by 2030. So, if F125 turbofans are installed, Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 will be able to operate till 2040.

To RAD: Direct answer is YES, they've been unable to develop a reliable MMR. So far they've indigenised only weather radars. The IAI Lavi MRCA had the EL/M-2035, not 2032. Nothing on MMR was transferred from Israel or Russia. The KLJ-7 MMR is nothing but the Zhemcoug. The Zhuk-M of 1980s vintage equips the J-8II. ELT-568 jammers don't jam hostile MMRs, but the Ku-band radar seekers of fire-and-forget BVRAAMs & data-links on-board semi-active BVRAAMs. Phazotron NIIR provided the source-codes for integrating its MMRs with China-developed BVRAAMs. Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 will never become a MRCA. But it will have enough capability to defend itself. Only ASRAAM will be used, no Derby. All autopilots are always integrated NOT with MMRs, but with GPS receivers. That's because terrain avoidance is not the same as terrain navigation using the Doppler beam-sharpening mode or real-beam mapping mode. British & French Jaguars can't be refurbished, since they've all rusted & all metallic components have already been recycled. The entire cockpit of the LCA will be redesigned & re-equipped to the Cockpit-NG configuration, by the HALBIT JV between HAL & Elbit Systems.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Watch this facinating documentary on 'Myanmar’s Genocide Agenda':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQRYrpp2cI&hd=1

sweet said...

Northrop Grumman wins Long Range Strike Bomber contract..

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,

You thoughts on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1E2om9ceto

Best Regards
Raj

rad said...

hi prasun
great info on the chinese radar and auto pilot as well as the cockpit ng for the lca.Seems like our little lca is going to be more Israeli in the times to come?.. can the x band aesa radar like 2052 jam missile seekers or only opposing radars?.Well the next good thing that comes into my mind is when they are not able to field a good radar on an ac i wonder about the quality of the active radar on the sd-10, should be a piece of cake for the elt 568 ?. I really wonder how the drdo is going about he uttam aesa radar when they have not able to deliver a functioning slotted face based normal radar?.
when you mention that the russians have supplied the source code for the radars then it would be very easy for the chinks to copy it easily?.Why did they do that fully knowing that it would be copied. DID the russians give us the source code for the
BARS radar???.Do we have to run to them to integrate the astra missile ?.

birbal said...

Hi Prasun da,

Morning.

You have earlier written to a query that SoP-18 with regard to the LCA refers to the 18th iteration of the LCA (Navy) Mk1’s flight-control logic, & not the entire design of the airframe.
Is the 18th iteration of the LCA (Navy) Mk1’s flight-control logic already arrived at or is it going to be in near future??

So it means the IAF version of the LCA (Navy) Mk1 will be almost similar to it except for the tail-hook!! and some others..
Can we expect some further modifications of the aircraft specially on the IAF version like FUSELAGE BROADENING, done on the Gripen NG, so that the undercarriage bays can be shifted outwards, allowing a simpler, straight and light undercarriage as in the Rafale and the Gripen NG, to SOLVE the problem of the overweight undercarriage in the LCA (Navy) Mk1 PLUS allowing less supersonic drag and increased fuel capacity???
I don't think it will lead to major changes to the flight control logics...What do you say???

Reading your comments regarding the LCA i have come to the conclusion that the IAF version of the LCA (Navy) Mk1 will have the following differences from the Tejas mk1-
1) The Cockpit-NG configuration, by the HALBIT JV between HAL & Elbit Systems,
2) On-board ELT-568 AESA based Jammers,
3) Twin Pylon-mounted MAWS,
4) Digital RWRs,
5) Customised version of the EL/M-2052 AESA MMR,
PLUS LEVCONs, lighter landing gear, re-configured layout of internal systems to make the fighter easier to maintain and some other minors...Correct me if i am wrong!!
Is the EL/M-2052 AESA MMR GaN based or GaAs based?? The reason i have asked this is that GaN modules require LESS cooling than the GaA ones. As you have said earlier that there is no much space to house the greater cooling requirements of AESA MMR specially the GaAs ones!!!

Thank you.

With regards,

Pallab.

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

What is your view on this report : http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2015/10/26/arihant-how-rusia-helped-deliver-indias-baby-boomer_533849

The writer says Russia is the most reliable defence partner or friend compare to France and USA. He also cover some extract of the concern queried by S.Kumar.

Its not hidden, USA will definitely imposed embargo on the supplies of spares and technical services during wartime if India do not adhered to its condition. Pokhran is good example.

CSC said...

Yes rafales are needed but 189 of them, putting an end to the pak fa, that does not make sense. Comparing even the worst case scenario pak fa of 2018 vs the best case model of rafale at the same time.... Anyone would prefer a genuine 5th Gen aircraft

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun,

Thanks for your Comments about Dr. Subbarao Story. Truly if his design was tried
India could have developed Nuclear submarine before year 2000 and without Russian support.

I think India Lost a good chance.

Now my next worry is Dr Subbarao have questioned the Indian Hydrogen bomb Yield (Pokran II).

http://www.manushi.in/docs/467-our-nuclear-scam.pdf

During 2009 when hydrogen bomb yield issue came into public domain, I watched Dr.Anil Kakodkar interview with Karan Thapar in Devil's Advocate. He firmly ruled out all this allegation. Even he is telling that Dr Santhanam is talking like a layman.

And I ready Dr R. Chidambaram & Dr. Sikka BARC Tech Paper regarding this and both firmly standing that the test was sizzle and not fizzle.

Dr Subbarao, Late P.K.Iyengar, santhanam & world is one side and Dr. Anil K., Dr. R.C & Sikka and BARC in other side.

Now the question is YOU ARE IN WHICH SIDE? Sizzle or Fizzle


Reason is now World started embracing Pakistan's Tactical Nuclear weapon. Now the war theater is getting changed.


Thanks

S. Kumar

Millard Keyes said...

No No Prasun not a terminal erectile dysfunction - it was a mere premi - a premature ejaculation...much like in American Pie.

Unknown said...

Sir, economic times reports that india is considering 2 kilo class submarines from Russia.

Is it true?
Why navy wants a double hulled sub?

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

U are right on H Bomb, we are not successful, on that front no H-Bomb is restricted below 1 Mega Ton TNT, Best is to understand the sub-marine based H-bombs of US, Russia and other nations ... H-Bomb minimal yield is 800 KT and beyond

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/us-to-sharif-gps-ties-gurdaspur-strike-to-pakistan/

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIYUSH DAS: No new Kilo-class SSKs will be procured. Only two existing ones of the IN will be subjected to a 2nd refit as I had explained last year here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2014/09/new-force-accretions-are-welcome-but.html

Until I had uploaded that report, no one even knew that the Type 877EKM SSKs could be subjected to a 2nd refit! Data from here was subsequently extracted to write this report:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/49425464.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

New hardware to be acquired from Russia in the immediate future will include the upgrade kits for the IAF's existing IL-78MD transports & IL-78MKI refuellers, the last tranche of 57 Mi-17V-5s, & 150 BMP-2K ICVs fitted with Kornet-E ATGMs.

Unknown said...

THANK YOU for clarification

will pakfa/fgfa also be on agenda of parrikar...

Unknown said...

You mean IL-76 MD's right. Also do we have 6 IL-78s or 7 as wikipedia seems to suggest?

Will all the ~1000 existing BMP-2s be upgraded to 2K standard?

Rajdeep said...

sorry for posting anon.
Same questions again:

You mean IL-76 MD's right. Also do we have 6 IL-78s or 7 as wikipedia seems to suggest?

Will all the ~1000 existing BMP-2s be upgraded to 2K standard?

Unknown said...

MUST READ INFO ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/betas/yieldtoweight/

It shows the same device can have different settings which give different yields ranging from 1-100kt!!

It shows how the smallest thermonuclear bomb (H-BOMB)has a yield as low as 50kt and the largest fission/boosted fission bomb (A BOMB) can have a yield as large as 500kt

Now when we factor in the max payload that an Agni series missile carries (~2500kg on Agni iii),it is not too difficult to estimate the minimum yield even if we assume the older more basic fission designs.
I can only say that the yield of a 2.5 ton boosted fission warhead will be at the very least in the 100-250 kt range

Unless we want MIRV this level of destructive power seems quite adequate IMHO.

Akash said...

Sir,http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2015/10/iaf-wants-aerial-refuelling-jammers.html?m=0

In this he says IAF doesnt want an internal jammer in the Tejas anymore. he also says HAL has solved the issue of external pod taking up a hardpoint and reducing thr weapons load by designing a twin arm carrying hardpoint which will have an aam and the pod .
what do you think?
Doesnt the NP2 single seater already has a re worked intenal lru architecture for easier maintainence? Then what is this 27 RFA( request for action) by IAF to HAL for enhancing maintainability? these doesnt add up.

He mentions HAL will make 4 Tejas sp series this year and 7 nrxt year with the rate reaching the desired 16 per annum figure in 2018. HAL has just delivered SP-1 this year to IAF. So technically HAL is yet to manufacture any aircraft this year and even if we count the SP-1 it is still 3 acs away from its target and i dont reckon HAL supplying 3 Tejas by the end of this year.


Wont we go for another 40 Super sukhoi as you had earlier said? And why doesnt IAF reengine the fleet of 17 Gajraj and upgrade them to 476 aka MD-90 standards instead of just subjecting them to an avionics upgrade and life extension.

Gessler said...

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2015/07/13/russia_offers_india_a_super_submarine_44197

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AKASH: Looollllzzzzz!!!!!! Another convoluted & unprogrammed autopilot-enabled liftoff by the Desi Bandalbaaz! Firstly, doesn't he know that the ELTA Systems subsidiary of IAI, & not ELBIT Systems, is the OEM for the EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR? Secondly, of course external jammers will be used, as I had explained yesterday regarding the ELT-568's fitment options. The MiG-29UPG already has a rearward ELT-568! That's why the IAF wants an external jammer fitment BUT NOT ASPJ pod. Twin-arm hardpoint refers to the dual ejector racks fitted to a single pylon. Not an ASPJ pod on 1 rack & ASPJ pod on another. Why? Laws of physics concerning EMI! Try operating an ASPJ pod in this configuration & see whether or not BVRAAM's or WVRAAM's built-in data-links (interfaced with the AESA-MMR & HMDS) works as advertised! That's why no air force or navy has to date ever specified such a configuration. And nor will the IAF or IN. Thus, the desi bandalbaaz has got totally confused within technicalities & probably got you confused as well.

Lastly, there's no such term as MAINTAIBILITY used by the IAF or any other air force or navy in the world. The term used is SERVICEABILITY. And that depends on the number of 1st-line & 2nd-line testers used for fault-isolation disgnostics. Way back in 2013 itself the IAF was complaining to ADA about the numerous types of such testers reqd, & wanted no more than 4 testers for 1st-line fault-isolation disgnostics work. The nett flyaway unit cost of such a reconfigured Tejas MRCA will work out to US$55 million.

ALL existing IL-76MDs (24) & 6 IL-78MKIs will be re-engined with PS-90A turbofans, thus achieving commonality with the existing 3 A-50I PHALCON AEW & CS platforms.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JAY BHANUSHALI: That's right. Folks often forget that with boosted fission MIRV warheads, the nett deliverable yield goes up exponentially--thereby achieving the same level of destruction as a unitary thermonuclear warhead. A cluster of 3 boosted-fission MIRV warheads will thus easily be able to destroy an entire metropolis when exploded at an altitude of 5km/3km above the surface.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To S KUMAR: Developing a high-energy density PWR is only 50% of the challenge. Coming up with a SSN submarine hull design is an entirely different ballgame. There's no way India could have overcomne BOTH these challenges entirely on her own. The reqd quantum & quality of human resources simply did not exist till the previous decade.

To UNKNOWN/RAJDEEP: Why 17 IL-78MDs when 24 were delivered in the 1980s? Have any of them crashed to date? The IAF presently operates 22 IL-76MDs while the ARC operates 2 of them. The IAF operates 6 x IL-78MKIs. Plans call for also retrofitting them with HF radios so that they can refuel the IN's MiG-29Ks as well. Right now this isn't possible due to the absence of on-board HF radios on the IL-78MKIs.

The IA has already has re-equipped several of its BMP-2 ICVs with Konkurs-M ATGMs & TISAS target acquisition/engagement optronics & they too are called BMP-2K. But the bulk of the unmodified BMP-2 ICVs will have the Russian BMP-2K turret with Kornet-E ATGMs & will also have TISAS.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PALLAB/BIRBAL: All OEMs for AESA-MMRs transitioned to usage of GaN in the beginning of this decade itself. But the cooling reqmt remains the same to ensure longer MTBFs. If one uses the same cooling system, GaA's usage gives an MTBF of no more than 500 hours of operation, whereas with GaN usage that figure goes up to 1,000 hours.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da,

1. This report released recently by FAS about China's BMD borrows a lot of the observations that you had already made. However, they say that China's BMD makes India's AGNI missiles redundant

https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/DragonShieldreport_FINAL.pdf

2. This is a good read about the next gen bomber contract that Northrop won today. A certain Yellow journalist walla was screaming Boeing/LM for the last one month for obvious reasons

http://csis.org/files/publication/151027_Harrison_LRS-B_Program_Commentary.pdf

Thanks,
Vikram

birbal said...

Hi Prasun da,

Thanks for the answer on GaN based AESA-MMRs.

Will the Customised version of the EL/M-2052 AESA MMR be smaller in size so that it fits into the small nose cone of the LCA as cooling system will require extra space???

Will you please throw some light regarding the 18th iteration of the LCA (Navy) Mk1’s flight-control logic?

Thank you,

Good night.

Pallab.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: How can any X-band monopulse pulse-Doppler radar ever jam terminal radar seekers operating in the Ku- or Ka-band? The former can only jam the semi-active X-band seekers of BVRAAMs like the R-27R or AIM-7 Sparrow. That’s precisely why Ku- & Ka-band active radar seekers were developed for fire-n-forget BVRAAMs. The X-band AESA-MMR can therefore at best degrade the performance of X-band MMRs through directional jamming. For comprehensive jamming of L-band/S-band airspace surveillance/target engagement radars & C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J /X-band fire-control radars of SHORADS, one requires a wide bandwidth escort jammer equipped with about 3 AESA-based multi-beam array transmitters for simultaneously jamming the diverse threats operating in different bandwidths. But the beauty of the 2-in-1 ELT-568 is that it is a combined RWR (for processing C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J bandwidth frequencies) as well as active X-band/Ka/band/Ku-band jammer. That’s the reason why in its entirety it was installed on the wingtips of the EF-2000 in a pod-like configuration (Praetorian suite) so that it could function as both an ASPJ & escort jammer for up to 15 nautical miles effective distance.

The SD-10’s monopulse active seeker is the Agat JSC-developed 9B-1348E—the same as that on Astra Mk1. As for the so-called ‘Uttam’, I’m sure you must have been horrified when you first saw its full-scale model at the DRDO pavilion at Aero India 2015 & compared its dimensions with those of the EL/M-2052 or RBE-2!!! That should indicate enough where the DRDO stands in relation to the various OEMs of AESA-MMRs.

Sharing source-codes does not mean sharing the methodology of developing the source-codes. Therefore, the entire-source-code library cannot be back-engineered. There are enough embedded encryptions for safety purposes that are inserted by the radar’s OEM to prevent full-scale replication. Astra-1 BVRAAM uses the 9B-1348E seeker that already comes pre-programmed with the necessary interfaces to the NO-11M Bars/RSLU-30MK PESA-MMR & AKU-170E launcher (with built-in pylon adapter for UHF electrical/mechanical coupling) the through MIL-STD-1553B digibus. Therefore, there’s nothing left to integrate

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PALLAB: The EL/M-2052 version meant for Tejas was shown at Aero India as far back as 2013! It was therefore customised as far back as 2013. Had already stated this before above. 18th iteration was done AFTER obtaining the flight-test data from NP-1's flight operations carried out at the Goa-based SBTF. In addition, an updated version of the DFCC was made use of. That's about it.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJ: With the benefit of hindsight, it is always possible to add & subtract factoids, assumptions & incident-analysis. But beyond a certain threshold, one cannot defend the indefensible.

To VIKRAM GUHA: VMT. But the reality is that the Chinese BMD R & D programme (like that of Russia) is now focussed less on kinetic interceptors, & far more on directed-energy weapons that will be located close to the ‘Underground Great Wall’ storage/integration sites housing the ICBMs/SLBMs & their nuclear WMD warheads.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

This is the infamous interview given by Musharraf 3 days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC1Mo7uJCws

And watch Sartaj Aziz blowing up at his interviewer (from 9.58 till 10.35) after being asked questions about his removal as NSA & appointment of Lt Gen (Ret'd) Nasir Janjua as the new Pakistani NSA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzrkvZlkvg

birbal said...

Hi Prasun da,

Morning. Thanks for answering my qu

You said-
" ELT-568 is a combined RWR (for processing C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J bandwidth frequencies) as well as active X-band/Ka-band/Ku-band jammer."
Does it mean it will perform the role of RWRs on the IAF version of LCA Mk1(Navy) too?? OR it will supplement the DARE developed digital RWRs which will be on them???
ELT-568 working as a combined RWR and jammer will SAVE space on the IAF version of LCA Mk1(Navy) and provide space for other LRUs or fuel!!

You said-
" ELT-568 jammers don't jam hostile MMRs, but the Ku-band radar seekers of fire-and-forget BVRAAMs & data-links on-board semi-active BVRAAMs." then
" ELT-568 is ........ as well as active X-band/Ka-band/Ku-band jammer"
I am CONFUSED....???
Does it mean IT POTENTIALLY CAN, But since there is LIMITED SPACE on the LCA Mk1 and it will be used ONLY for CAS and defensive counter-air combat air patrols it WON'T be housing the LRUs required for ASPJ rolefor COMBINED active X-band/Ka-band/Ku-band jamming !!!
This is what i understood from the following statement-
" That’s the reason why in its entirety it was installed on the wingtips of the EF-2000 in a pod-like configuration (Praetorian suite) so that it could function as both an ASPJ & escort jammer for up to 15 nautical miles effective distance."
To act as ASPJ additional LRUs has to be there and in a PODDED configuration since there is NO space there...

But I completely didn't understand how the POD-like configuration (Praetorian suite)can act as escort jammer when it can jam ONLY X-band/Ka-band/Ku-bands???

I hope you can clear my doubts and probably others might also be thinking in the same wavelength...

With regards,

Pallab.

joydeep ghosh said...

@Prasun

1. i had long back that IL76 will be used as medium lift and C17 as heavy lift but then you said IL76 will be retired as things stand IL76 will serve atleast 20 more yrs, but it nulifies need for C295 and An32s can do what HS748 & C295 would have done

2. We lost nepal gameplan as China has now decided to supply oil to nepal, what now

3. IAF allowed women into fighter stream from 2017, but feel they can join as WSO in 2 seaters now and single seaters later

4. You said Rafales will be used as deep penetration strike jet, but what will FGFA do since SuperSukhoi30 will work on air dominance

5. You said CPEC will be unstable/unviable (you were correct with earthquake) but if ever india get back GB the only way it can reach wakhan corridor is to build road with tunnels and bridges abutting gilgit & other rivers, then again it will be as unstable as CPEC

6. you say boosted fission devices in MIRV are AGA one fusion device then why super powers are holding on to fusion devices

7. one after the other why do you think Pakistani leaders are doing self goal, wont that hasten downfall of Pak

8. Do you think the ongoing IAFS will do any good to India wis a vis China

you havent aswered my querries from last querry

thanks

Joydeep Ghosh

Unknown said...

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/12/23/kilotons-per-kilogram/

This will probably give people most of the answers about nuclear weapons.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,

Watched Musharraf's interview. As usual the good general was dispensing fauji fertilizer.

Best Regards
Raj

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun,

Last 10 years I am watching & reading your comments. To have this much in-depth knowledge, one should have a good experience, interest in the field, using the brain, and most important common sense. Moreover knowledge comes from many sources like watching, reading books, working with systems, attending seminars, talking to parties etc.

Coming to the mater, I suggest you to prepare a road map for Indian defense forces particularly for Defense Industry. Step by Step Procedure to follow to become 100% Self Sufficient.

This proposal should be submitted to various agencies including Defense ministry,DRDO, all the three services and PMO.

Let them have a good look and take your variable inputs and fine tune their plan. This will help all the parties and improve our efficiency.

Please don’t tell this is not my work and nobody requested you to do. Being an Indian you should add your valuable inputs to your country.

Thanks
S. Kumar

Gopu said...

Great posts recently, especially the one on the popular misconception of Hinduism! Hope you keep the quality and tempo going.

1)In the coalition strike on Pakistan, how will the IA, IAF, USAF, and UK/France coordinate logistically and tactically, considering the lack of NATO-standard data links in India and the lack of organizational synchronism under a Joint Chief of Staff between IAF/IA?
2)Since you (probably) already know, can you tell us the expected procurement cost of the entire Rafale fleet?
3)Why is the finalized-Tejas Mk1 so relatively expensive (an imported Russian Su-30 is around the same cost if not lower)?
4)Why are AESA radars being fitted on Jaguars and Tejas Mk1, when these aircraft clearly don't have the ability or the need to perform multi-role missions. The cheaper EL/M-2032 radar will not reduce operational efficiency since the platforms are not expected to perform inter-leaved missions (so sequentially changing radar modes is fine). Most F-16's are without AESAs (and so is the Mig-29 SMT and the Mirage 2000, which arguably could have used AESAs more effectively than Tejas Mk1).
5)What's the difference between the Super Sukhoi AESA and the FGFA's AESA?
6)When will new French-based SSN's arrive in the IN, and why are they better than the Russian offer (and can the reactor design of the Charles de Gaulle be used for INS Vishaal)?
7)Would it be possible to make a two-engine Tejas Mk2 derivative (since the aircraft has to redesigned, regardless)?
8)Why is the Indian Army lagging on common-sense procurements, like next-gen IFVs, APCs, artillery, and infantry armor/small-arms, especially when domestic (private-sector) solutions already exist.

Rajdeep said...

Hi Prasun,

On the jammer thingy on Tejas. Why not use the gun station instead. I believe in the Harrier there are 2 gun stations as "detachable" pods. Can't we use the same technique for the Tejas. So we can have in some cases under the air-intakes combinations of Litening, RecceLite(I dont know if we have it), SPJ or even 2 guns(I dont know why but an option doesnt hurt).

Also why havent we gone to the higher calibre Gsh-2-30 and are still with the *-2-23? Even though tank attack might not be envisaged but an option to do so doesnt hurt if someday push comes to shove.

Not all aircrafts in a mission need jammers and the ones that carry the jammers dont need the gun. Is there some reason why this is not feasible ?

thanks,
Rajdeep

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Interesting report: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/politics/obama-legal-authorization-osama-bin-laden-raid.html?_r=0

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PALLAB: You're getting confused because you may not have read up about the PRAETORIAN EW suite. ELT-568 constitutes only 1 component of the PRAETORIAN suite. There are several other sub-systems inside that suite for performing diverse EW tasks. However, since PRAETORIAN is optimised only for the Eurofighter EF-2000, it cannot be retrofitted in the same configuration in other combat aircraft. That's why for enhancing export prospects, Italy's ELETTRONICA came up with the VIRGILIUS suite comprising both RWRs & ELT-568 that can be retrofitted on to existing combat aircraft. That's what is on board the MiG-29UPG. The same package can also be installed on the LCA. For defensive counter-air or CAS operations, the LCA won't require escort jammers & therefore there's no need for escort jammers. Such escort jammers can always be carried by 1 or 2 escorting Su-30MKIs flying at higher altitudes.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJDEEP: The GSH-23 cannon of the Tejas is internally-mounted. The same pylon that carries the Litening LDP can also carry the RecceLite. Litening & recceLite are never carried on the same mission. Only those aircraft that will be exposed to hostile AAA, SHORADS & MR-SAMs need to have ASPJ pods like the EL/L-8222 or escort jamming pods. Jaguar IS, & Su-30MKIs will come under this category when they're reqd to fly deep inside hostile airspace. Rafale has its internal SPECTRA suite so its self-defence is assured. But it will still require escort jamming pods carried by escorting Su-30MKIs flying at higher altitudes.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Iran publicly implicates Pakistan, & possibly China, in nuclear WMD proliferation:

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/pakistan-sold-iran-nuke-tech-in-1980s-former-president-rafsanjani-reveals/

So much for the 'brotherly' relations between two Islamic Republics

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

This is what's known as 'calling a spade a spade:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/consume-beef-to-increase-iron-intake-haryana-govt-magazine/

raw13 said...

Your comprehension is amazing:

The only piece that quotes Rafsanjani is this, the rest is indian journalists own take.

"Following the breakdown of German technical cooperation with Iran’s nuclear programme in the wake of the 1979 revolution, he said: “We began to talk with the Pakistanis. In Pakistan, there was a scientist named Abdul Qadeer Khan. I took a trip to Pakistan, and I wanted to see him, but they did not let me…. I went twice to Pakistan, but I didn’t see him.”

Iran’s now-Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Ali Khamenei, who has held the position since 1989, also travelled to Pakistan without success, Rafsanjani added."

Jon said...

Regarding the Rafsanjani interview the following links have some more details:

http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/nuclear/19345-rafsanjani-s-admissions

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Former-Iran-president-indirectly-admits-country-sought-nuclear-weapons-430302

Quoting from the Jpost article:

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies Iran Project reported on Rafsanjani's interview as published in the Etemad newspaper, where he discussed the history of the country’s nuclear program.

“At some point, we lost faith in the Germans and began thinking of alternative approaches. We had talks with the Pakistanis, a scientist called Mr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.... It was agreed that they should help us a bit – for example, by delivering second-hand first-generation centrifuges, along with some designs – so that we could build it ourselves.”

Rafsanjani also said that at the beginning of their enrichment work, they used Pakistani equipment and placed “a workshop next to it in order to build the components ourselves.”

Arpit Kanodia said...

@raw13 You have chosen to be a dumb here or are you seriously a dumb?

"In February 2004, Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan confessed to selling nuclear secrets to
Iran, Libya and North Korea. In the years since then, we have learned a great deal about the challenges
presented by transnational, privatized nuclear proliferation. "
https://www.iaea.org/safeguards/symposium/2010/Documents/PapersRepository/2012749789382198030766.pdf

Or you try to explain how the Chinese Nuclear design and centrifuges based on URENCO reached in Libya?

Or you try to explain why PAF was transporting nuclear materials to target countries?

"Pakistani officials denied that any of the country’s leaders knew of Mr. Khan’s black market activities, a story American officials did not believe because some of the equipment was shipped on Pakistani Air Force cargo planes. While Mr. Khan is not under formal restrictions today, he has not left Pakistan in years and has been prohibited from talking to most outsiders. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/world/asia/us-exploring-deal-to-limit-pakistans-nuclear-arsenal.html

rasayan said...

Hi Prasun,
DM in an exclusive interview with TASS about Indo-Russian joint defence projects mentioned about purchase of S-400 missile system, seriously? "http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/10/29/rusia-is-an-all-weather-friend-for-india-parrikar_535281"

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

I would not some how digest the concept of killing cow !!

Rajesh Mishra said...

Some of your replies are effective like the Thermo-Nuclear weapons. That is why perhaps the Indians are not much concerned about developing the Thermo-Nuclear weapons.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: Why go so far? here's the confession from the Bhopali himself:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2011/09/finally-truth-about-pakistans-wmd.html

There are scores of on-the-record interviews of Gen (Ret'd) Mirza Asla, Beg & the late Lt Gen (Ret'd) Hamid Gul whose YouTube weblinks I've already posted in previous threads since 2012. All these interviews contain statements by these two attesting to what Rafsanjani has said--this being just the first pre-choreographed salvo from Teheran. More will follow in the days, weeks & months ahead to ratchet up the pressure against Pakistan, making it impossible for Pakistan to endure the unendurable! The following weeks will also see--during the PA COAS' visit to Washington next month--extreme criticisms of OP Zarb-e--Azb & how it was conceived, planned & implemented with neolithic efficiency, which enabled all the TTP's leadership to escape to Kunar province in Afghanistan. For, commonsense dictates that before any such counter-insurgency operation takes off, the foremost task is to plug all possible escape routes, just like the IA did when the Royal Bhutan Army started flushing out the ULFA guerrillas from the jungles of southern Bhutan 15 years ago.

To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: Do you mean male cow or female cow? Because according to the Bhakti cult, only the female cow (gou mata) is worthy of worship. The males are damned & orphaned, & condemned to roaming the streets just like stray cats & dogs. The end-result: scores of traffic accidents on the streets in urban areas, & the only ones to have the last laugh will be the insurance companies that will charge hefty premiums from automobile/two-wheeler owners. I can already foresee all this happening, not based on any divine vision but based purely on logical reasoning.

vijay kant said...

sir, I have a few queries
1-how to get a patent for a technology?
2-why the Muslim world hates Isreal?
3-what is the Tejas Mk 1A's capabilities?
4-what is the induction timeline for scorpene and arihant class submarines?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RASAYAN: He's talking about 'preparing the ground'. What it means is a long-winded process just like the one for the FGFA & IL-214 MRTA, i.e. until the Russians can prove that the S-400 can function as an effective hypersonic endo-atmospheric interceptor, no procurement contract will be inked. And the Russians are still a few years away from conducting user-trials of such an interceptor for their own armed forces.

The interesting part is about the Mi-17V-5 fleet expansion. So far, 151 have been ordered in 2 batches (80 + 71) & another 40 will be ordered, taking the total strength to 191. Add to that the 40 existing Mi-171s ordered in 2000 & the total fleet strength goes up to 231. This is more than enough to take care of both the IAF's routine air-maintenance reqmts, as well as have enough to conduct a Brigade-level expeditionary air-assault operation. And if you add the 15 CH-47Fs on order (plus 7 more on option), then that's just about enough to transport about 3 Batteries (18 units) of LW-155/M-777 ultra-lightweight howitzers for providing indirect fire-assault in support of an airmobile infantry Brigade.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: VMT. But (LoLz!) why go for thermonuclear weapons when India already did & does possess the Brahmastra, which is far more dealier & destructive than any thermonuclear weapon conceived to date?

rad said...

hi prasun
i heard that the Israelis are also developing a aesa based ew jammer like the spectra and elt-568. any info on that .I would not be surprised that they have already been operational. If the modern aesa jammers are so good is the towed jammer become unnecessary.?Do we have a program regarding t hat.? The latest in thing is expendable jammers that are ejected like flares any news on them . You did mention that in the article on super sukhois. How is the super sukhoi getting along and what is the delay?.
I think after the advent of aesa jammers rf guided missiles are going to be obsolete. The way for ward would be long range IIR guided missiles?

Akash said...

Sir,In the interview why does the RM mention 270 su-30mki while speaking aboit spares supply for the mki fleet when we have ordered 314 in all as you had said earlier?
he said something about private companies tying up with Russian OEM for in country manufacture of spares. Cab you shed some light on this. What are the companies which are forming JV with Russian entities nd for production of which spares.

Why are we procuring another batch of Mi-17v5 when Mi-38 is available. It will receive its IOC soon and its a much better option than the Mi-17v5. Similarly why are going for BMP-2K when BMP-3M is there? Why are we always so hooked to prehistoric era platforms which are past their prime and needs to be relegated to museums ? Doesnt IA Hq study the recent conflicts and try to deduce some lessons from them? Like what happened to hundreds of BMp-2 and scores of T-72B3 in Donetsk and Lugansk ?

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

both, atleast they can be spared from our un ending hunger to devour animals ...on lighter note

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

More alms for the bhikaris:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1216105/turkey-to-gift-34-aircraft-and-spares

To RAD: Israel had AESA-based jammers long ago! Just look at the white-coloured conformal protrusions just below the front cockpit of any IDF-AF Block 52 F-16E/F. The ELM-2222S NAVGUARD is a scaled-up version of such a jammer that's optimised for warships. Towed active decoys are meant for neutralising the MR-SAMs guided by high-power target engagement radars/target illuminators, such as PESA systems like the L-band Rajendra. But another option that acts as a force-multiplier is a standoff PGM like the Spice 250 equipped with an EMP generator that can, in one sweep, neutralise four to six target engagement radars/target illuminators. So, if a RecceLite pod is used for scanning a target area & identifying all the RF emitters located in that area, then all that's required is one PGM with EMP generator to neutralise all such RF emitters. This does away with the need for the aircraft to internally carry expendable active decoys. Guided BVRAAMs won't become obsolete. Instead, they will incorporate dual-mode seekers--RF & IIR.

To AKASH. Not 314, but 312. The figure 270 refers to the HAL-assembled ones + the first 50 that were delivered off-the-shelf. The last tranche of 42 ordered are still in delivery from IRKUT Corp & the last ones will arrive before the year's end. Another 38 Su-30MKIs remain to be ordered & these will be the Super Su-30MKIs once their mission avionics configuration is validated by the DRDO's DARE. After this is done, the avionics kits will be sent to IRKUT Corp (as customer-furnished hardware) for installation on board the Su-30MKI airframes. These aircraft will also be powered by uprated 117S/AL-41F-1S turbofans. There are several Inbdian companies that are already producing spares like fuel-pumps, actuators, washers, cables, etc etc. But not all rotables & consumables are being produced in-country & their quantum needs to be increased. At the same time, those 1st-line & 2nd-line testers already developed for Tejas LCA need to be adapted/modified for use with other aircraft like Su-30MKI, Jaguar IS/DARIN-3, MiG-29UPG & Mirage 2000I. So far, nothing in this arena has been done to achieve commonality of such fault isolation diagnostics hardware. Mi-38's military version won't be available for a few more years. For India's warfighting environment, BMP-2s are more than enough, they just need to be upgraded. BMP-3's introduction will bring forth new field support logistics challenges that will be cost-prohibitive.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da,

According to this ET report

The Navy, in turn, will get four new multi-purpose vessels at a cost of Rs 2,800 crore to replace its old ocean-going tugs.

The AoN for the long-pending Rs 1,500 crore project to buy two deep-submergence rescue vessels (DSRVs) was also extended by the DAC.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/ministry-of-defence-clears-military-projects-worth-over-rs-12000-crore/articleshow/49586312.cms

Can you plz let us know who are the vendors for the

1. multi-purpose vessels ; and

2. DSRVs

Thanks

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJDEEP: Using long-range MBRLs against concentrated armoured formations makes sense only if the MBRLs are armed with SADARM-type smart sub-munitions--something like the 'Assault Breaker' conceived for NATO in the mid-1980s. Although the PA has A100E MBRLs (Chinese clones of the Smerch-M), China has still not been able to develop SADARM sub-munitions. Hence the claimed reliance on Hatf-9/Nasr TNWs. When the PA says it will employ such TNWs on its own soil, it is referring to the Thar/Cholistan desert areas in southern Punjab/northern Sind. But, as I had explained earlier, if India, citing the 1972 Shimla Agreement, decides not to enter any part of Pakistan, & instead launches offensives only across the LoC into PoK (which pakistan claims is 'Azad' & is not part of Pakistan) with heliborne air-assaults & airmobile paratroopers & quickly occupies portions of PoK in close proximity to water reservoirs in the Mangla area, then that will effectively deter Pakistan from using TNWs for fear of losing almost all its fresh-water supplies!

And this is the only reason why Pakistan has for long been clamouring for demilitarisation of J & K. Since this hasn't worked, now it is begging for something like a conventional forces treaty to offset the numerical/qualitative conventional superiority of the IA & IAF vis-a-vis the PA & PAF.

birbal said...

Hi Prasun da,

That's a heck lot of explanations....NOT EASY. Learned a lot. Thanks

Good night.

Pallab.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To TECHNOLOGY,PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: RE Bovine Economics:

India has a total of 190.9 million cows and bulls, and an additional 108.7 million water buffaloes-together roughly 25% of India's human population. There is simply no space for gaushalas for all, which leads to them spilling onto the streets. India exported 2.4 million tonnes of buffalo meat in 2014-15, which made up 23.5% of global beef exports according to the Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, to 65 countries including Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand and Saudi Arabia. Valued at Rs 30,000 crore, this accounted for 1% of India's total exports. But it is only a small part of the bovine economy. The consumption of beef is 30% of slaughter. The rest is traded for other purposes. This includes leather, in which India holds nearly 5% of the global market; gelatine, which is used not just in food products but also in photography and as a coating for medicine capsules; and soaps and toothpaste, which use handcrafted bone powder as part of the manufacturing process. Not just that, horn powder is also used in the foam used by fire-fighters to put out a fire. "No matter how religious you are, will you let your house burn down?" a trader asks. The average Indian today simply cannot survive without items derived from cows, bulls and bullocks, and a ban on culling would not affect only the beef-eating population. A ban on bovine slaughter also impacts India's rural economy, in which the life cycle of bulls and bullocks offers farmers a sustainable economical model. If a farmer bought a bullock for Rs 25,000 to Rs 50,000, it usually remains sellable at the same price for about two years. Once it becomes unproductive or uneconomical due to injury or illness, the farmer sells it for culling for Rs 10,000 to Rs 20,000. This 40 per cent return on investment then allows the farmer to raise capital for a replacement animal. In Maharashtra alone, the used-cattle market yielded an annual turnover of Rs 1,180 crore until a ban this year by the BJP government under Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis. Now, a farmer with an unproductive bull has nowhere to go. The average bovine consumes 60-70 litres of water a day and 30-50kg of fodder. This costs an estimated Rs 39,336 per bull per year. With 1.18 million unproductive bulls in the state, feeding them would cost an estimated Rs 4,677 crore per year. Another fallout of too many stray cows is their dangerous contribution to global warming-way more than the distressing levels of vehicular pollution choking our cities. India's cows are, believe it or not, central to the current debate on climate change. Like buffaloes, sheep, and goats, cows excrete high quantities of methane, a green house gas (GHG) capable of trapping 21 times more heat than carbon dioxide that irretrievably escapes into the atmosphere. India's total livestock population of over half-a-billion, also including goats, camels, horses and other such animals, accounts for more than a sixth of the total GHGs from the world's livestock. Data published last year in the Asian-Australasian Journal of Animal Sciences shows that India's livestock annually produces 14.32 million tonnes of GHGs, which is 15% of the global total.

The "Pink Revolution"--a tag used derisively by Modi during his 2014 election campaign to describe bovine meat exports--feeds allied industries to an extent that most anti-culling advocates don't fully understand. Parts of cows and their progeny, from horns to hooves, are today found in daily-use items as diverse as medicines, tennis racquets, fire extinguishers, bone china, surgical stitches, apparel and footwear.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/beef-ban-and-bloodshed/1/493111.html

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: The multi-purpose vessels will be supplied by Vizag-based HSL. The DSARs will come from UK-based James Fisher Defence--its selection was done last year itself. What's pending now is the selection of the shipbuilder for building the two diving support vessels (submarine tenders) that will house the DSARs.That too will probably be built by HSL.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA & ARPIT KANODIA: Here's the comprehensive translation of Rafsanjani's interview, from Farsi into English:

http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/ncri-statements/nuclear/19345-rafsanjani-s-admissions

It is from here that Praveen Swamy has 'copied' information for drafting his news-report.

If you read P.7, it becomes crystal-clear that Iran NEVER wanted a nuclear weapon using HEU because even the Pakistanis never ever had any. Instead, Iran, just like Pakistan, wanted a plutonium device & hence its approach to North Korea, THROUGH A Q Bhopali Khan who by the late 1980s was building with China's assistance the final-assembly line for Ghaznavi TBMs at Khanpur & at the same time was also negotiating with North Korea for the purchase of 80 Ghauri-1 IRBMs. By the mid-1980s, therefore, all that Kahuta-based KRL had was a facility NOT for doing any form of uranium enrichment, but just final-assembly lines for the Baktar Shikan/Red Arrow-8 ATGM & the QW-1/Anza Mk1 MANPADS, which were at that time arriving from China in semi-knocked-down condition.

In other words, no uranium enrichment EVER took place at KRL; it was just a giant smokescreen to hide the industrial espionage activities of A Q Bhopali Khan that were conducted by him at the behest of China, so that China could set up its uranium enrichment plant at Hanzhong, near Xi'an province.

rad said...

hi prasun
your knowledge of so many defense related systems in detail is amazing.I really wonder how you spend so much time answering jingos like me as it takes a hell of a lot of reading.!!
Any way, i just googled the f-16I sufa and there seems to be plethora of antennas every where!what are the antennas ion the sides of the intake?. and what is the other load on the intake parallel to the litening pod? Does it mean active maw cum jammers are the way forward?.
Regarding EMP spice that you mentioned , does the weapon fry the electronics of the radar or does it temperately shut it down due to overload on the receiver front end.?If so they could always reboot the system.

http://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/520/f16iinflightzp3em6.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/aircraft/p49704-iaf-f16.html&h=675&w=900&tbnid=rDkSmPuihGjAaM:&docid=uZR2-fshQsp3hM&ei=KfgyVvvFLISo0AS717W4Ag&tbm=isch&ved=0CB8QMygAMABqFQoTCLv-qtmz6cgCFQQUlAodu2sNJw

India has many bhramasta`s -- lalu prasad, sonia ghandhi, rahul, akilesh yadav,mayavati,a raja ,karunanaidhi,chidambaram,digviajay singh. It is our national interest to send them to pakistan and china to defend india!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,
Thank you for all the information. I have a question has the Indian defence research and its sister concerns ever developed anything indigenous? Awaiting reply thanks.

Unknown said...

Sir, I'm really sorry for putting this question again.
I googled total su30mki orders & I got 272 as final result.....

1996--- 50planes were ordered directly from Russia.
2000--- 140 to be assembled in india
2007--- 40 more ordered from hal facility
2012--- 42 more were ordered

Also if the total ordered kits are delivered in 2015, in how many years hal will assemble them ???

Always grateful for answers...thank you

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun DA,

(1) You are correct about the lease of the Russian submarine. It is going to be Kashalot K-322 and not YASEN as claimed by the desi Bandalbazz.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/831746

(2) Other projects with Russia seems to have run into trouble according to Parikkar:

As for the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft​ (FGFA), negotiations will proceed further and we have halted ourselves to establish things clear in our minds. But with the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft​, there are serious issues needing clarification, let me be frank. There are some serious observations which need to be clarified and reviewed properly.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/832683

Thank You

Vikram

Unknown said...

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2012/10/sorry-state-of-affairs.html?m=1

In this thread you've explained it as

This will bring the number of aircraft ordered from the Su-30MK family for the IAF to date to 314. Ever since the contract for procuring the Sukhoi Su-30MKIs was inked on December 28, 2000, the order-book has comprised the first 50 Su-30MKIs that were delivered off-the-shelf in successive tranches of 32 and 18 between 2002 and 2009, the licenced-production of 140 aircraft that is now underway, the supply of another tranche of 40 aircraft in completely knocked-down condition (ordered in 2007) between 2008 and 2009, the supply of another tranche of 42 aircraft in completely knocked-down condition (ordered in December 2011) due between 2012 and 2014, and now the first 42 Super Su-30MKIs that too will arrive between 2014 and 2018. The 40 + 42 IRKUT Corp-built Su-30MKIs + the 42 IRKUT Corp-built Super Su-30MKIs will be inducted"
you've counted order of 42 aircrafts twice !
42 su30mki & 42 supersukhois

But super sukhois were never ordered, does it means that final number till now is 272 ???

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

But there are also major loop holes in Indian nuclear program.

This is well known that USSR provided the reprocessing tech. to PRC in 60s for nuclear program. But this was insufficient for industry level production, thats why China bought many reprocessing plants from Russia in 90s under IAEA.

But when China not able to do so, then how India succeeded in reprocessing tech? And now India moving toward industrial level reprocessing program without foreign help. How this become possible?

Further, we all know China was using Pakistan as front country for espionage of Centrifuges. But again, how India developed there own centrifuges with high SWU?

Sir, there is any "BLACK" side of Indian nuclear program? Anybody helped India? And if it is, then who? USSR? USA? France? Israel?

Shaji Pappan said...

Can you explain the progress of Russia's new generation SSN's - Yasen and Borei. At first I thought delays were caused by a lack of finances, but now that I think about it there might be huge technical design problems that are causing delays. Is this why the IN is eager to switch to a non-Russian SSN design?

Also what design is the Arihant follow on class based on?

Chada said...

at the moment we have refugges from Bangladesh. from Srilanka, from Pakistan. and now with the mess in Nepal. The Madhesis will start arriving in millions and Nepal will have cleansed itself of indians. Why do the neighbouring countries hat indians so much or is it our politics that makes this happen?

raw13 said...

Some balanced reporting:

http://thediplomat.com/2015/10/what-did-pakistan-premier-sharif-actually-accomplish-on-his-us-visit/

ra said...


Hi Prasun
It seems certain India is going in for the russian s-400 as per an inter view with Parikar
1) will it not be affected by the MCTR?
2) what stops russia from selling it to the chinks as they have previously done?
3) what would be the cost of such a system, and is it a proven system?.
4) It could be more of a deterrent value against china who are targeting us with them
5) will it keep the pak awacs away at a distance to avoid being targeted.? I bet the PAF would be shocked over this development of india acquiring s-400. Some s-400 squadrons seem to be operqational in russua as per youtube videos.

rad said...

sorry rad above

raw13 said...

S-400 would be a game changer. Does anyone know its and associated equipment cost?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHADA: I fail to understand your line of reasoning. If refugees have been flowing into India, how can that translate into neighbouring countries hating India? In fact, it should be the opposite! Did the Mirpuri Kashmiris seek asylum in the UK because they all hated the UK? Are the Syrian & Afghan refugees pouring into Europe because they all hate Europe???

To RAD: Nothing is certain till the emergence of the product that's advertised & offered for sale. The botched-up IL-214 MRTA programme is one such example. Chances are that this programme will be scrapped altogether. I had already explained earlier how EMP weapons work & what are the after-effects.

To SHAJI PAPPAN: There were technical problems, primarily due to human resource constraints. Russia today does not have the same manpower-levels that the erstwhile USSR used to.

To ARPIT KANODIA: India's funded R & D effort on centrifuges began in 1988. That's why the final prototypes were ready by 2005 itself & were subjected to tests at the pilot plant in Mysore. This plant has since been expanded to cater for industrial-level production of 42% enriched uranium.

To PIYUSH DAS: Not quite. The last 42 aircraft were ORIGINALLY meant to be in Super Su-30MKI configuration, but since DARE & HAL could not finalise the upgrade configuration on time, it was decided back in 2012 itself to convert this tranche of 42 into the present-day Su-30MKI configuration & acquire them in kit-form for final-assembly by HAL. This means 314 Su-30MKIs ordered to date. This means the IAF's first Super Su-30MKIs to be ordered off-the-shelf from Russia will comprise 36 units, or even more to make up for the loss of the 4 crashes so far.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

November 1996: 40 Su-30MKIs ordered from Irkut Corp. In December 1998 this was increased by 10 to 50 Su-30MKIs.
December 2000: 140 Su-30MKIs for licenced production since 2004.
2007: contract signed for 40 licence-built Su-30MKIs.
December 2011: contract signed for 42 Su-30MKIs from Irkut Corp.
December 2012: contract signed for 42 Su-30MKIs from Irkut Corp.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAW13: You call that a balanced analysis??? The only sentence that's factually correct is this: undermining Indian influence at the expense of Afghanistan’s stability.

What it means is that if India is detached from Afghanistan, then Afghanistan will slide back to the anarchy & mayhem of the 1990s. And the Pak PM needs to get his brains scanned for any traces of grey matter after he said that Pakistan cannot bring [the Taliban] to the table and be asked to kill them at the same time. Why? Because this is exactly what Pakistan was trying to do with the TTP by degrading their war-waging capabilities while holding out the carrot of negotiations with them. Didn't you therefore see the tears flowing from the eyes of the Pak Federal Interior Minister last year after hearing that Hakimullah Mehsud had been killed by a US drone-strike? Folks who saw that sight were joking that handkerchiefs were running in short supply to stop the flow of tears from Chaudhary Nisar's eyes!!!

In conclusion, what the Pak PM revealed during his lecture at the USIP was nothing else but the typical Pak double-talk that it has waged since the early 1950s & for which there are no buyers anywhere anymore.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAW13: So now Imran Khan Niazi, the nephew of the infamous Lt Gen A A K Niazi of 1971 vintage, has proven himself incapable of even managing his personal life/family affairs, leave alone creating 'Naya Pakistan':

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Imran-Reham-divorce-with-mutual-consent/articleshow/49594651.cms

Intehaayi dardnaak, sharmnaak, khaufnaak aur afsausnaak surat-e-haal hai Pakistaniyon ka!!!

Mayur M Manapure said...

http://tribune.com.pk/story/982105/any-threat-to-saudi-arabia-will-evoke-strong-response-from-pakistan-army-chief/

Looks like its that time of year when a**licking is at its peak..
Sir what do you make out of it?

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Thanks Prasun, I have read the link a day back but still some how it feels bit since from child hood we had cows and ox in our farm in AP
have closely fed them and taken care of it hurts a bit ...

@Raw Modi being divisive ... i think more bad about him was published on news than he was actually

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAYUR M MANAPURE: Strong response, yes. But still not strong enough to keep the Saudis & Emiratis happy. That's because the PA can't spare a single soldier. All of them are reqd for chasing the TTP. That's why the PA is drastically reducing its commitment to UN peacekeeping operations. And the shortfalls will be made up of personnel from the IA & Bangladesh Army. The Iranians recently went to Islamabad to read out the riot act to them & have warned Pakistan that if the drug trafficking activities of the PA in the Sistan area adjoining Baluchistan, then Iran will have no other option but to launch a 'Cold Start' limited military offensive against Pakistan. In other words, the noose is now tightening around Pakistan's neck, with the US, India & Iran now acting in concert to tighten the screws, i.e. when your adversary gets on his knees, that's the time to kick his balls even harder!

To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: But why limit compassion to only cows & oxes? Why not extend them to chicken & goats as well? After all, they too are creations of the Almighty & are living & breathing? No one takes care of old cows or ox or buffaloes or bullocks. The moment they become unproductive, they're sold off for the slaughterhouses. No old-age shelters for them for sure.

As for NaMo being divisive, you will note that all such talk started emanating from Pakistan immediately after NaMo condemned Pakistan to the dustbin during one of his speeches at Dhaka University. In other words, the old wounds about the factual & historic discrediting of the Two-Nation Theory came back to life & since then the Pakistanis have desperately seeking various types of band-aids to cover this ever-festering wound & one such band-aid has been all the rabble-rousing by fringe elements like the VHP, Bajrang Dal etc etc. Yet, despite all such vain & foolhardy attempts, how many Indian Muslims can they trace as refugees fleeing India for Europe or elsewhere? If indeed life was unbearable for the Indian Muslims, then by now there would have been a deluge of such folks seeking asylum in other countries through the UNHCR's auspices. Clearly, this isn't happening. Contrast that with the tens of thousands fleeing Pakistan & Afghanistan & heading for Europe or Scandinavia. Therefore, who's being divisive or which country is persecuting its minority communities becomes clearly evident through such factoids.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAYUR M MANAPURE: Read all about the audacious & daring special operations mission planned by the Israelis against Iranian nuclear installations:

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/spy-vs-spy-inside-the-fraying-u-s-israel-ties-1445562074-lMyQjAxMTI1MzI1NDcyNTQ0Wj

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: I never said anything about any installation on the sides of the intake. This is what I had said: Israel had AESA-based jammers long ago! Just look at the white-coloured conformal protrusions just below the front cockpit of any IDF-AF F-16I Sufa.

Those S-400s of Russia & the ones for China are meant for intercepting aircraft, not SRBMs or TBMs. The Russians will use these S-400s for replacing their 1980s vintage S-300Ps & S-300PMU1s, which also are only meant for intercepting aircraft. That's not what India wants & that's certainly not what's on offer. The version of the S-400 on offer uses 2 types of endo-atmospheric interceptors & I have clearly identified them in the narrative above. Please do re-read it for clarity & don't mix them up with the existing, in-production version of the S-400.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/malik-siraj-akbar/the-man-who-heckled-pakis_b_8428402.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&ir=India&adsSiteOverride=in

AVI D said...

Hi Prasun,

- What do you think are the issues with PAKFA, for the RM to want to go slow on it, on this upcoming visit to Russia?
- What are the chances of a JV with Japan on the Soryu for Project 75I? Is there someway we can reel them in? Will it make sense?
- The US has been trying for long to make a feasible airship based solution, but so far have not been able to come up with a satisfactory solution. How successful do you think the Chinese have been with Yuanmeng?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AVI D: Simply put, the T-50 PAK-FA is still under development, especially its turbofan. Consequently, the FGFA, which will be derivative of the PAK-FA, will take even longer to be developed. As it is, DARE & HAL are running 3 years behind schedule when it comes to developing the mission avionics suite for the Super Su-30MKI, so how can one expect DARE & HAL to develop the IAF-specified mission avionics suite for the FGFA? The DARE-HAL team has to first deliver the Super Su-30MKI's suite & only then can any R & D commence on the FGFA's suite. It's the same team that has been entrusted with two projects & therefore the R & D work has to be undertaken sequentially, not concurrently because the manpower for this simply isn't available in-country. So let's get realistic & not have very high expectations.

The IN wants single-hulled SSNs & the double-hulled Soryu-class SSK clearly doesn't fit the bill. Ifat all the IN requires more SSKs, then it is far better & cheaper to order more Scorpene SSKs fitted with AIP using lithium batteries.

The Yuangmeng (LoLz!) is nothing but a Russia-designed airship using solar energy. Even during the last Aero India expo the Russians were promoting this airship! Such long-endurance airships are useful only when flying deep inside the hinterland over friendly & secure airspace, since they can easily be shot down by specially-modified endo-atmospheric LR-SAMs. Therefore, it stands to reason that such airships will be house long-range early-warning radars & possibly optronic sensors for TMD-related early warning. The US doesn't require such airships because it already has a chain of land-based BMEWS radars plus a plethora of space-based sensors.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: For your weekend viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORG1sje85DI&hd=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHeP2whNOes

buddha said...

thank u sir
eagerly waiting for ur next blog

CSC said...

Yes rafales are needed but 189 of them, putting an end to the pak fa, that does not make sense. Comparing even the worst case scenario pak fa of 2018 vs the best case model of rafale at the same time.... Anyone would prefer a genuine 5th Gen aircraft

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CSC: No one is putting an end to FGFA. The prinsipal delays stem from Russia, which has been unable to develop the definitive turbofans for the FGFA. There's therefore no way that the FGFA prototypes can be delivered by 2018. Best estimates expect the prototype deliveries to commence after 2020. Series-production can at best therefore begin only after 2025. Even the Russians have therefore started ordering members of the Su-30 family of heavy-MRCAs & not the T-50 PAK-FA. For as long as no 5th generation MRCA enters service with any of India's neighbours for the next 7 years, there's nothing to worry about. Even China is still a full decade away from introducing the J-20 into service.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da,

(1) Some journalists/defense analyst are suggesting that America is currently working very hard to get the Indian Navy to agree to the F-35C in return for carrier related assistance. Is this true?

(2) Why hasn't the Indian Navy released the RFP for the Next Generation Missile Vessel?

Thanks & Regards,
Vikram

pm said...

sir if vietnam war didn't happen do you think result of 1971 war would be differnt.since american forces wouldn't be engaged and american public opinion would have been differnt.would we have seen american boots in indian subcontinent? what is your opinion?

Unknown said...

Vmt for your reply,
Prasun sir,
The future of IAF fixed wing transport fleet looks grim.
There is no clarity on the an-32,
No forward movement on the il214/mrta,
No real movement on the ground on the c295,
The c17 production has halted and looks like the fleet will stay at 10,
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the NAL Saras,
For reasons unknown,the order for 6 Airbus A330 mrtt which can be used as a transport+tanker is not being placed even after winning the contest more than 2 years ago

If things don't improve the IAF will be in a lot of trouble in the coming years...
I would appreciate it greatly if you could shed some light on these issues

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: 1) There’s not an iota of truth in such reports. In fact, I can go even as far as predicting that if any other carrier-based MRCA is destined to be on board IAC-2 other than the MiG-29K, then it will definitely be the naval variant of the Rafale. Which means I’m even ruling out the single-engined LCA (Navy) Mk2, which can always be used as a shore-based MRCA by the IN. 2) That’s because the specs of the NGMV & SW-ASW vessels are being changed into a single set of specs, i.e. a common hull design but with mission-specific mission sensors & weapons on-board. This consequently will add volume to the orders for such vessels & make it economical for them to be built at a single shipyard—something which would not have been possible had 2 different hull designs been chosen for each reqmt.

To JAY BHANUSHALI: The IL-214 MRTA project was always a murky one, because it requires far longer runways to operate than the ALGs from which C-130J-30 Super Hercules can. The IL-214 project would have made sense only if it was also to be developed as a regional commercial airliner. Then the project would have become financially viable. Now, with only 65 or so projected as being the IAF’s reqmt & no clarity on any such orders emanating from the Russian side, this project has become cost-prohibitive. I would rather place my bets on the turbofan-powered version of the Dornier Do-328, which can at least operate in & out of ALGs & which is now being co-produced by TATA & Switzerland-based Ruag Aerospace. Therefore, the sooner one cuts one’s losses on the IL-214 MRTA the better. The money saved will then be free for being invested on acquiring more C-130J-30s, C-295s & also the Do-328s.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PM: Not at all. You must bear in mind that immediately after WW-2 the US was totally dependent on the UK for guidance on foreign relations priorities in South Asia. Consequently, the US decided to go along with the UK’s advice on supporting Pakistan, assuming that the UK’s then predictions about India becoming a Communist state would one day come true. But as time went by, by the early 1960s, the US was convinced that India would NEVER become a Communist state. That is when the US also realised that it was India, not Pakistan, that was the bulwark against Communist China & also Communist USSR. That’s why President JFK had turned down his CIA Chief Allan Dulles’ proposal for securing Goa from Portugal & transforming it into a sprawling NATO base. Furthermore, as far back as 1961, JFK had authorised the USAF to develop contingency plans for supplying India with nuclear weapons off-the-shelf IN CASE China become a declared nuclear weapons state, & at the same time also encouraged Pandit Nehru to send physicists & engineers from BARC to US nuclear weapons labs for the sake of mastering the science of designing & fabricating nuclear WMDs. That’s why by 1968 India was more than ready to carry out her first underground nuclear test, although this was not conducted till May 1974. And that’s also why the US imposed weapons export embargoes on both India & Pakistan after 1965 till 1975 knowing very well that while this would damage Pakistan the maximum (because that country was totally dependent on US financial aid for buying weapons), India would remain unaffected because India always bought weapons from the open market & paid for them in full out of her own pockets, & never borrowed any money from anyone for such purposes. In conclusion: the US since the late 1950s regarded India as the sole arc of stability throughout Southeast Asia & never wanted to destabilize India in any manner. That’s why when President Nixon ordered the USN’s 7th Fleet to the Bay of Bengal in December 1971, his wily NSA Dr Henry Kissinger ensured that the Enterprise Battle Group never received its rules of engagement directives from 7th Fleet HQ. In other words, this Battle Group for all intents & purposes went to the Bay of Bengal only for a joyride with no orders to pick up a fight with anyone.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Watch these:

Persecution of minorities in Bangladesh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7NGBow464s

INS Kalvari walkaround: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQz88xVWPM&hd=1

Anonymous said...

Prasunda

What do you think about this report by SJha? it is dated, but i just noticed it...
http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/india/saurav-jha/blog-8-10879-748557.html
Where do we stand between replacing phoren maal with indigenious development?
I have asked several questions before, but you have not responded, is it the handle or does the question not show up?

Also, what is the status of the EMB AeW&C? We have not heard anything from CABS and there is no news of procuring more such systems - could you please elaborate.

Many Thanks

Ashish

Gopu said...

Hi Prasun,

Can you respond to my earlier queries?

Especially nuclear submarines, such as current details on the Arihant-follow on class and the new SSN class (has work started for the latter?).

Gopu said...

Also as a follow-on to a previous question, what disqualifies any of the F-35 from Indian service? The AMCA program goal is to basically create an F-35 equivalent.

Shaji Pappan said...

If the US has recognized India's geostrategic value since the '60s, what accounts for the multiple personality disorder that the US has experienced with respect to the State Department's positive relationship (arm sales, free hand outs, etc.) and backing of Pakistan's failed government?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASHISH: Lolz! Sonars of any type out-ranging HWTs??? IN feeling the need to gain an edge over enemy submarines by detecting them beyond the range of their HWTs? And in the warmer waters of the IOR? The author of such a report better have a word with submariners to get the performance data on sonars of all types as dictated by the laws of physics! ALTAS cannot be compared with ACTAS. The former is a low-frequency system whereas the latter is ultra-low-frequency. There were no competitive trials held for any active/passive towed-array sonars. All contenders demonstrated their products abroad to visiting IN evaluation delegations. No imported sonar suite will ever be manufactured by anyone in India. Let anyone from the private-sector or public-sector step forward & prove that licence-building 10 imported sonar suites is financially viable. It isn’t that indigenisation of radars is imperative for OPSEC. What is imperative is the development of a national secure operating mode (by developing secure, encrypted crypto-keys) for the IFF transponders on board such radars. Marreech is a soft-kill NTDS. Naturally it will be inferior when compared to a hard-kill alternative. So if the IN opts for the latter, will that make the IN’s decision-makers less patriotic? And just because a homegrown system is undergoing trials doesn’t mean it is deemed fit for service-induction. Gullible jingoes routinely ASSUME that technical-trials or user-trials will automatically lead to service-induction. Now, as the saga of the Varunastra HWT has proven, this is OFTEN not the case. Same goes for the EMB-145I AEW & CS. Conclusion: reality check is the need of the hour, & not xenophobic jingoism.

To GOPU: Kindly go through the threads of 2012 after DEFEXPO 2012 & you will find plenty of info & illustrations on the S-3 & S-4 SSBNs, as well as the projected S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs. And if I’m not mistaken, AMCA is a twin-engined design, whereas the F-35 JSF is a single-engined platform.

To SHAJI PAPPAN: It may well appear as multiple personality disorder to many, but in reality it is known as ‘Broiler Strategy’, i.e. akin to baking a turkey slowly but steadily inside a microwave oven. Broiler Strategy & Broiler Diplomacy therefore take some time to cook & mature before the desired end-results are obtained. It’s like a tiger on a predatory prowl. Once it spots its target, it deliberately initiates the chase with the aim of making its target get tired & lose stamina, & thereby offer no resistance at all when going for the final kill.

pm said...

thabk u sir for explaing above points. been watching cold war documentaries though they explained both ussr and usa stand on things they are a bit sketchy on roles of britain and france and how they played part in international policy then.i came to know involvement of british mercenaries in angola and other countries what is un mandate on them.do any parent country share any responsibility for their action or has any specific rules to protect them.so if captured what will be differnt between mercenary and terrorists.

rad said...

hi Prasun
You were talking of massive Indian armored thrust into pakistan in case of war , will that be possible without the tanks being fitted with APS?. It will be extremely costly affair in that case. As the bmp -2 is sufficient in todays war scenario what is necessity AFV like the tata kestrel which is going to be extremely expensive affair?.
Coming to EW , is the elm 8251 stand off jammer good enough to take on the ground based phased array radars that china has supplied to pakistan?.Phased array are inherently jam proof to a large extent.Will we need the next gen of phased array jammers to take them on ? what is the solution?

raw13 said...

Prasun, a balanced article:

http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/why-pakistan-wont-burst-crackers-if-bjp-loses-bihar-1238329

and this one from professor HOODBHOY:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1216449/win-pak-india-nuke-war

Akash said...

Sir,This has always crossed my mind and I havent found a logical explanation to it. the US has carried out a lot of research on Ufo and has even reverse engineered some of the retrieved spacecrafts and platforms. What exactly prevents them from using such obtained tech in their regular military operations? Why arent they investing on a fleet of weaponised TR-3A Astra spaceplanes and hypersonic Aurora platforms? And instead maintaining a fleet of F-22 Raptors and now investing in long range strike bomber(LRS-B). The TR-3B aND a(the infamous Belgian wave incident) ,they far outclass any potential tech potential adversaries of US may possess? Why have a conventional inventory ehen you already have next gen platforms?

Does the Russians have anything in their arsenal to intercept and shoot down the likes of Aurora and SR-72 Champ,Sr-75? How can they sit back and do nothing when the Americans are pouring billions into such other world tech? And does they have anything akin to Aurora hypersonic recce jet?

Will just 12 batteries of S-400 for us suffice when Pakistan is ever ready to use their ballistic missile arsenal not only to target and destroy thr major IAF bases in the North West in an effort to bring parity to the equation but also use them against major installations and population centres?

The 48N6E3 can intercept missiles with a max speed of 4600 m/s. Thats a terminal of almost 16.6 mach. This makes the present S-400 iteration more than capable of intercepting IRBM like the Shaheen and DF-21 and 26.

Akash said...

http://m.hindustantimes.com/delhi/ufos-spook-delhi-airport-security-air-force-put-on-high-alert/story-y91LDTkdyMF5IETbj5VEiL.html

What do you think about this? Is this a case of mis reporting of some mini drones being flown by an amateur? In any csse its quite spooky and IAF needs to get serious about the threat posed by flying saucers and triangles. in the very least IAF needs to study such phenomenon and come up with contigency plans.

Akash said...

Sir,http://m.indiatimes.com/news/india/ufos-are-being-spotted-regularly-at-the-delhi-airport-indian-air-force-put-on-high-alert-246824.html

This doesnt look anything close to one of The Us crafts. This is for certain an extra terrestrial one.

sweet said...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/nuclear-suppliers-may-admit-india/article7824763.ece

"However, he ruled out an “India-specific” rule, which means countries such as Israel and Pakistan, who too haven’t signed the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty), could also apply. “Nobody disputes that India is a keyplayer in the nuclear scenario, hence there is a recognition that some formula must be found for India [to become a member], and I think it is possible,” he said."

PKS, what's you view on this?

3rd ~ EyE said...

What is the status of DRDO Cannon Launched Guided Missile?
Any news updates on Arjun ?

TRIBUNE said...

Prasun ji, you had said on August 23 2014 the following:


YES, the PM & all other members of India’s nuclear national command authority will make use of the AW-101 as was originally planned. Once new stocks of rotables & consumables arrive from AgustaWestland, the IAF will reactivate its now-suspended operational flying conversion training curriculum & by this October the 3 already-delivered AW-101s will be declared operationally available.

AgustaWestland last April had no other choice but to offer two of the remaining nine AW-101 VVIP transportation helicopters of the IAF for sale in order to recover its financial losses after an Indian degenerate by the name of Arakkaparambil Kurian Antony instructed the MoD to encash the bank guarantees deposited by AgustaWestland with the State Bank of India. Consequently, the IAF will now receive 10 AW-101s—six for VVIP transportation & four for the SPG. However, since the three-engined AW-101 has no other global competitor, the MoD has now been empowered to place new, follow-on orders for two AW-101s at a future date, since the Attorney General has clearly stated that “where Finmeccanica is the single vendor with no other firm providing options, the Govt of India is empowered to go ahead with the deal.


However it is more than a year later and none of this has come to pass to my dismay. Can you please give an explanation for this and why your analysis did not translate into reality?

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/heading-in-right-directionat-last.html



Many thanks in advance sir

Anonymous said...

Prasunda-

Many thanks for answering my queries before.

A question about HAL and helis....Since Dhruv has now matured and quickly becoming a workhorse, spawning the Rudra and also with LCH coming on board in the next 2 years, the helicopter division is a great success story. Do you agree? if so, is HAL now working on developing a medium version that could be used for marine applications for example something similar to S70B? The fundamental building blocks are all there, no to have such a platform in the next 6-7 years?
Many Thanks
Ashish

hoods said...

russia recently deployed the Krasukha-4 EW system in syria to great effect. does india have anything like this system except 'DISHA' EW system?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HOODS: It's the Samyukta EW system, not Disha.

To ASHISH: Yes, the Dhruv & LCH have been success stories. But the time taken to achieve this has been far too much & could well have been compressed had HAL been a corporate entity like L & T or TATA or Mahindra Defence. Govt of India should permanenbtly get out of the business of running & financing military-industrial facilities. The mere fact that L & T, & not HSL, was awarded the contract for building the S-2 Arihant, S-3 & S-4 SSBNs proves my point about which entity can do a better job.

To TRIBUNE: You're worried about delays in inducting the AW-101s into service? I'm still waiting for the release of the Official History of the INA, which was drafted way back in 1947!!!

To 3RD-EYE: The CLGM won't be able to be fired from a rifled-bore cannon--it's that simple.

To SWEET: Gaining access to the Nuclear Suppliers' Group only makes sense if the country has heavy engineering industries capable of either exporting their wares for nuclear power plants or becoming sub-contractors to global nuclear power plant manufacturing giants, which is what Indian entities like L & T, Godrej & Boyce, Walchangnagar Industries etc etc are on the way to becoming in partnership with their Russian & French counterparts. Are Israeli or Pakistani manufacturing companies wanting to achieve similar feats? Some israeli companies definitely qualify for supplying safety-related hardware, but not Pakistani companies. So where's the need for the NSG to embrace Pakistan? None in my view.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PM & WISE ASS: VMT.
To AKASH” The US has been using ARVs like the Fluxliners since the late 1960s for military purposes. The much larger platforms have possibly been used for space colonisation. The Russians & now China have developed directed-energy weapons like high-power lasers for neutralising the threats posed by hypersonic recce platforms. 12 Batteries of any TMD interceptor system will more than suffice to defend against conventionally-armed ballistic missile threats from both China & Pakistan. The deficiency of the existing LR-SAMs of the S-400 is in the arena of terminal seekers & that’s why Russia is developing two brand-new missiles. If the existing missile rounds were up to the task, then the Russians wouldn’t have bothered to develop all-new missile rounds.

As for UFOs hovering around airport installations in urban areas, they tend to gravitate towards dangerous cargo like nuclear WMD-related materials.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Will answer ALL your outstanding queries later today, rest assured, in the next thread.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: There will be no deep-thrust inside Pakistan with Indian armoured formations. That's what I had stated in the scenario I had depicted earlier. Instead, thrusts vwill be made along the WB near Sialkot & throughout the LoC.

If high-power phased-array radars can't be jammed, then they can be tripped through EMP pulses.

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